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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:11:36 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
> No one gets on the soap box unless they've made an actual network.
> If you have never designed or supported a network (n5pvl) how on earth
> can you claim any standing here?
Oh, can you point out the global amateur tcp/ip network for me? I had
always heard that amateur tcp/ip was essentially a parasite which could
not
live without either of it's "hosts", amateur packet radio and the
internet.
In effect, there IS NO amateur tcp/ip "network".. Just a series of
isolated, insulated LANS with NO amateur tcp/ip generated connectivity..
That is, other networks such as the Internet must provide a simulation of
connectivity which doesn't exist in reality.
This in contrast to the Amateur Radio digital network, which has generated
it's OWN , INDEPENDENT global connectivity, using Radios. ( I may be SLOW,
but I'm ahead of YOU! )
Deprived of it's hosts, amateur tcp/ip would do as any other parasite
would
under those circumstances..
It would wither up and quickly die.
So anytime you clowns decide to run down Amateur Packet Radio, remember
that you are just insects on Amateur Packet Radio's butt. Make a big
enough
nuisance of yourselves, and the packet radio community will scratch it's
ass. If that ever happens, you can kiss amateur tcp/ip goodbye.
So go ahead and make anti-ham-radio statements right and left. It's all
going into the record, bozos, so lay it on thick. Your attitudes are being
noted by the folks who write up the amateur radio regulations, and
determine the penalties for breaking them. Packet/Internet gateways are
already illegal in several countries. Look to your own attitudes and
statements about amateur radio anytime you are wondering "why" those
regulations were put into place. It can also happen here, if the amateur
tcp/ip community is stupid enough to keep talking trash about amateur
radio
and continue vandalising the Amateur Packet Radio network with "Internet
Forwarding" stations.
I think you folks ARE that stupid.
Knock it out, bozos! ;-)
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:24:45 -0400
From: "Fred R. Goldstein" <fgoldstein@bbn.com>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
At 10:20 AM 5/17/97 -0500, Charles Brabham wrote:
> In general, I don't care WHAT you do with your Amateur Telephone software
> unless and until you use it to undermine LEGITIMATE Amateur Packet Radio
> networking. When you do that, you'd better put a steel set of drawers on
> because I'll be there to chew your ass out good.
>
> I've got no patience for vandalism of ANY description.
The trouble with lusers like this is that they confuse "competition" with
"vandalism". It's the same attitude of the old Soviet-style state monopolies,
which crumbled under the weight of Japanese competition.
Nobody is sticking pins in the coax of Amateur stations and sticking
wireline modems in their place. Since the wireline technology is now
several orders of magnitude faster, better and cheaper (pick 3) than the
antediluvian "networks" that amateur antiquarian radio operators are still
operating, traffic is migrating there. No surprise.
This is no more vandalism than is it vandalism against Ma Bell to buy your
own phone or answering machine instead of renting one or theirs, as was the
rule before 1969.
We call it competition. When amateur packet radio can be competitive, it
deserves to get use, but for now that's not applicable to the entire
wide-area network.
'nuff said for this old thread.
fred k1io
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Opinions are mine alone. Sharing requires permission.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:45:42 -0200
From: Tasos Zachariou <sv1rd@eexi.gr>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
At 10:20 =F0.=EC. 17/05/1997 -0500, "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.ne=
wrote:
>........
> I bet when you were three years old, you could pull the trigger on a gun
> too. This doesn't mean that you possessed the maturity and social
>awareness
> needed to handle that gun PROPERLY, in a RESPONSIBLE manner.
>........
Maybe you think that most hams are too young to play with tcpip
Maybe you are right.
But if you feel only three years old you must first grow up and then=20
,maybe, you feel the responsibility to play with radio networking and=20
other DANGEROUS things.
73s Tasos
Tasos Zachariou
http://w4u.eexi.gr/~sv1rd/
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