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TCP-Group Digest Sat, 22 Jun 96 Volume 96 : Issue 132
Today's Topics:
NIC billing for AMPR.ORG (7 msgs)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:24:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Alan Cox <alan@cymru.net>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> ps. I hope the .gov's are getting a ton of bills, serves them right for
> letting the internic go commercial.
Well given the fact they were paying for the entire lot before I doubt they
are worried.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 07:36:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Howard Leadmon wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
> We could declare ourselves our own country, I suppose.
HL> Now there is a concept! Maybe we could just drop the .ORG
HL> and create the .AMPR top-level domain.
For that matter, we could drop "AMPR" and just use "." as the domain.
HL> All we would have to do is convince the maintainers of the
HL> root-level servers to respect this...
That's easy, too. If we declare ourselves our own country, we may as well
declare ourselves to be the root servers.
-- Mike
me@solipsism.net
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:57:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Alan Cox <alan@cymru.net>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> >Forgive me for grandstanding here. Others may flame me if they must.
> >I hesitated for about ten minutes before printing the invoice along
> >with my credit card number and snail mailed it to the InterNic.
> Gosh, that was awfully nice of you!
> Thanks! I'm sure everyone appreciates it!
Very much. However lets now take that as a year to arrange this more neatly
not "oh good its gone away" so nobody catches it (however nicely) next year.
Alan
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stroh <strohs@halcyon.com>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Brian Kantor wrote:
> >Forgive me for grandstanding here. Others may flame me if they must.
> >I hesitated for about ten minutes before printing the invoice along
> >with my credit card number and snail mailed it to the InterNic.
>
> Gosh, that was awfully nice of you!
>
> Thanks! I'm sure everyone appreciates it!
> - Brian
Mr. Muncy's timely payment of the .AMPR.ORG InterNIC fee is certainly
appreciated, but...
Does Mr. Muncy now "own" .AMPR.ORG since he'll be on record as having paid
the bill? I'm not attempting to ascribe any motives whatsoever to Mr.
Muncy. If InterNIC does consider Mr. Muncy the "owner" of .AMPR.ORG, this
might be more incentive to have an international group "officially"
sponsor .AMPR.ORG. I would advocate TAPR, or AMSAT as such organizations.
I don't think the ARRL is appropriate, although perhaps the IARU is.
Steve N8GNJ
--
Steve Stroh N8GNJ strohs@halcyon.com | 1996 ARRL & TAPR Dig. Comm.
| Conf. in Seattle Sep. 20-22
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:16:51 -0700
From: brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
>Does Mr. Muncy now "own" .AMPR.ORG since he'll be on record as having paid
>the bill?
I suspect that at most the Internic might consider him the billing contact.
- Brian
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 00:48:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Steve Stroh wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
SS> Mr. Muncy's timely payment of the .AMPR.ORG InterNIC fee is
SS> certainly appreciated, but...
SS> Does Mr. Muncy now "own" .AMPR.ORG since he'll be on record
SS> as having paid the bill? I'm not attempting to ascribe any
SS> motives whatsoever to Mr. Muncy. If InterNIC does consider
SS> Mr. Muncy the "owner" of .AMPR.ORG, this might be more
SS> incentive to have an international group "officially"
SS> sponsor .AMPR.ORG. I would advocate TAPR, or AMSAT as such
SS> organizations. I don't think the ARRL is appropriate,
SS> although perhaps the IARU is.
As far as Internic is concerned, Brian remains the administrative contact and
the billing contact. One could raise the theoretical legal issue whether the
person who has paid the bill acquires some sort of ownership, but I think that
the decision would turn on intent. Since the admitted intent of the donor was
to make a donation for the common good, and we have traditionally understood
AMPR.ORG to be a kind of common property for which Brian exercises a fiduciary
responsibility rather than ownership, I would find it hard to imagine the
payment of the renewal fee as imparting ownership.
This might also be a good time to point out the unpleasant possibility that we
would be in big trouble if Brian were, say, run over by a truck. I don't know
what sort of provisions have been made for transferring administrative
responsibility for AMPR.ORG and -- more importantly -- Net 44, but it would be
wise to see about placing them in the hands of a perpetual entity. At the
very
least, I think Brian might consider entering into some kind of legal
arrangement with TAPR or a similar organization, perhaps along the lines of a
"deed of gift" by which he could impose whatever restrictions he thinks
necessary to preserve the interests of all parties.
-- Mike
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:21:31 -0700
From: brian@nothing.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
I'm likely to be around longer than TAPR.
As for transfer if I do get dead, it's easy. You just send the NIC a note.
Let's drive off that bridge when we come to it, eh?
- Brian
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