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Brian, you should select from among the volunteers of our domain
individuals that would be willing to spearhead and coordinate the effort.
The worst case scenario would be that the money will be paid in your name
as the "founder/chairman" of AMPR.ORG and the status quo will continue....
73,
KD4IZ
Jack Spitznagel, DDS, PhD
Dept. of Periodontology
Univ. of Tenn, College of Dentistry
(901) 448-6242
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Dana H. Myers" <myers@bigboy.West.Sun.COM>
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 Doug Crompton <admin@marconi.crompton.com> wrote:
>
> > if it turns out we
> > do have to pay it it should be some representing organization, which
> > we in turn support, that pays the bill - like arrl or tapr - not an
> > individual.
>
> I completely agree. As a voting member of both of the suggested
> organizations, I think that I prefer to have TAPR take this over
> if its board is willing. I'm not sure it's worth asking now for
> an exemption from the fee though I do worry about the precedent
> since the fee will certainly rise over time.
Well, it probably is closer to TAPR's charter than the ARRL's to
pay the InterNIC fee, but I have this gut feeling that a distinct
organization should exist for the purpose of paying the NIC fee,
if any organization pays it at all.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should ask for
Federal help. Afterall, amateur radio exists as a Federally
chartered resource, and there's a clear precedent that we're
not expected to pay to volunteer (though we do pay for vanity
calls). Despite the inept handling of the '2m/70cm little LEO'
issue recently, the ARRL is probably best equipped to handle
government interactions. On the other hand, we've all got
Federal legislators and the FCC - do we ask them to pay this
bill or get it waived?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:39:41 +0100 (BST)
From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> WD-K> As a former contracting officer for the government, my
> WD-K> precaution is, "you should always negotiate before paying any
> WD-K> monies".
>
> Have you ever tried talking to someone at Internic?
Start with "Hello before I start can you give me the address of your lawyer.."
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:42:29 +0100 (BST)
From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> It might set an interesting precedent if the roots could be pursuaded to
> support .AMPR.
Forget it. We've been working on such things for the unofficial .dot domain.
There is a draft in place for contracting top level domains out by a bidding
process involving lots of money. The draft makes on provision for sensible
items like .ampr
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:14:07 +0100 (BST)
From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
> + we could attempt to obtain a new domain name that isn't under the
> aegis of the internic - in some other country, or maybe an international
> domain, or the like
ampr.int is logical anyway.
Alan
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:16:18 -0700
From: brian@nothing.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Gosh, people, I'm overwhelmed by the response of people willing to donate
to the cause. You're all fantastic!
Here's what I propose to do. We have a few weeks left yet, so I'm going
to see about alternatives to having to pay.
Would one of you be willing to draft a mother-and-apple-pie letter to
the Internic explaining about how ham radio deserves a free domain
because of all the public service we're doing? I'll forward it to them.
[Or would it be better for lots of people to write to them on the above
theme? I don't really know; the Internet I grew up with didn't have
rapacious businessmen running it. The people I knew who were in charge
didn't need pressure; they responded to reason. I'm not sure that's
still true.]
And I'll see what I can do elsewise. Maybe we can find a free alternative.
Anyway, if neither of those works out by a few days before the due date,
I'm going to ask that the first five people whose mail I got volunteering
to pay would work out among themselves some sort of sharing arrangement
(split the cost, whatever) and forward the fee to the Internic. I don't
really think it's fair to ask just one person to pay it, but I'll let
the volunteers decide among themselves. I'm choosing the first five
I heard from because I think more than that gets too hard to coordinate.
Thank you all for your overwhelming response!
- Brian
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 02:39:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Walt DuBose - K5YFW wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
WD-K> You could be very right about the MilNet as the Defense
WD-K> Logistics Agency (DLA) runs the network or DISA (Defense
WD-K> information Services Agancy) may get it. they probably bill
WD-K> the Vice-President for all other government
WD-K> registerations... If they bill congress, it would nevere get
WD-K> paid.
Or the checks would bounce.
-- Mike
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 02:38:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Brian Kantor wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
>Perhaps there should be
>a special top-level domain for truly international organizations.
BK> There is. It's 'INT'. See RFC1591.
I completely forgot about that.
BK> I'm attempting to register an amateur radio domain in INT but
BK> there hasn't been time to receive a reply from the committee
BK> that handles that sort of thing - which is NOT the Internic.
I see that the SOA for INT was updated three days ago...
-- Mike
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 02:44:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: NIC billing for AMPR.ORG
Matti E Aarnio wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
> From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
MEA> ^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder if email to this gentleman works..
Yes, very much so. The doubled address is a vestige of UUCP. The mail is
received by a machine "bilow" within the subdomain "bilow" of "uu.ids.net."
This was the only way we could get some software to work many years ago.
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