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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Sunday, August 31, 2003.
1. Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
2. Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
3. Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
4. Extracting data from e-map
5. Re: Extracting data from e-map
6. Re: KA1CQD off course
7. error in APRS+
8. RE: error in APRS+
9. Re: Extracting data from e-map
10. NSTAR balloon flight Monday
11. Where to connect?
12. We can fix your money problem!! QZE
13. Looking for someone in Turkey
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Subject: Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
From: Henk de Groot <henk.de.groot@hetnet.nl>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:08:26 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1
At 16:37 30-8-03 -0500, Jack R. Smith wrote:
>Speaking of outrageous paths, look at this one I just grabbed off my
>computer:
>
>EA8ADH-15>APU24V,14103*,TRACE7-7,WIDE,TRACE7-7,WIDE,TRACE7-7,RELAY,TRACE,qAr
>,DF5FF-14:
>;GATEWAY *140436z4553.64N/05906.27E& gateway 28128 21117 14103 10151 144800
Note that this path is effectively not worse than a single TRACE7-7. There
are only 8 positions for digipeaters in an AX.25 frame, by the time
TRACE7-7 is used up the others are pushed out of the digipeater list. This
HAM obviously doesn't know how it works...
Note also than the first digi that picked this packet up has a funny
callsign "14103". It looks like the frequency that also appears in the
list, which whould mean that this was broadcasted on 20m (14.103 Mhz). I
guess it is also broadcasted on all the other QRG's like this... A German
station (DF5FF) picked it up after this first hop, which makes sence if
this packet is on HF.
I have no idea why the originator used a path like this, if one hop goes
from the Canary Islands to Germany than a path "TRACE2-2" should be more
than sufficient to cover a very wide area.
Kind regards,
Henk.
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Subject: Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
From: "Andrew VK4TEC" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:41:58 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2
Why can't you guys use perl to chop em back if no one will play the game ?
Andrew vk4tec
www.tech-software.net
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Subject: Re: Pleasantville, revisited...
From: "Laurie - g6isy" <g6isy@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:48:13 +0100
X-Message-Number: 3
Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Jack R. Smith wrote:
>
>>
EA8ADH-15>APU24V,14103*,TRACE7-7,WIDE,TRACE7-7,WIDE,TRACE7-7,RELAY,TRACE,qAr
>>,DF5FF-14:
>>
>>Can anyone tell me why you would want that for a path? And even
>>worse is
>
>Thats European. They have a totally different understanding of APRS
>over there. They dont do public service (its not in their rules). I
>think
>they only use it for fun and DX.
Not true Bob.
Some of us Europeans do have public service in our rules and we do use APRS
for it.
I don't think our understanding is much different from in the US.
Our geography means that we sometimes do things slightly differently but I
think we are pretty close.
Trying to educate people regarding paths etc. is always a difficult thing to
do. Some people are keen to learn and are grateful for advice, some
immediately take any suggestions as an attempt by others to control things
and some just can't see good advice if it hits them in the face.
I agree however that it is best to try and start getting best practice
implemented locally.
We have enough problems convincing locals of the best settings, let alone
trying to tackle what comes at us from over the channel (I live on the South
Coast of England).
73 Laurie - G6ISY
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Subject: Extracting data from e-map
From: George P Thomas <gptjr@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:48:53 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4
I would like to know if there is any way to retrieve information from my
e-map regarding my speed moments before an accident in which I was
involved. I did not have the rest of the APRS equipment in the car at
the time, just the GPS. Any help is appreciated. Please respond off
list to gptjr@juno.com GP Thomas KB0QVT
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Subject: Re: Extracting data from e-map
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:46:11 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5
>I would like to know if there is any way to retrieve information from my
>e-map regarding my speed moments before an accident in which I was
>involved. I did not have the rest of the APRS equipment in the car at
>the time, just the GPS.
Well, this is relevant to the 'big brother' thread recently, so I want to
post this to the list...
First off, anything in the GPS is not going to be 'accurate' in the sense
that a speed there could get you cited. While the equipment may give very
accurate results, it would certainly not meet the legal qualifications for
being 'certified' as accurate. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect of
it. Unless the unit shows you were pulling a cannonball baker stunt, and
then the unit could support an allegation of a 'pattern of behavior' prior
to the incident..
However... A civil case is another matter totally. There it doesn't
necessarily have to be accurate.
For example, if your accident is at the end of a long trip, and the 'other
party' manages to get their hands on the data stream, they could, if the
data supported it, show a 'pattern of behavior' if you were in fact
averaging 10 over the speed limit for a hundred miles. On the other
hand, could YOU use the data to show you obeyed the limit for a
hundred mile trip? Not likely, as the data came from you. Then again,
if they tried to show that you drove recklessly on the trip, but you
produced you device with the data still in it showing nice consistent
and reasonable speeds, you could counter their claim... Yep, defensive
arguments do have a lot more leeway!
Bottom line is you have the data. That means if you introduce it to make a
claim, it will be suspect unless you can show a clean path to it. However,
if the other party introduces evidence to show something against you, you
could produce it, clean or not, and use it to discredit their info. How
credible your info would be depends on if you can show it still in pristine
'unalterable' form inside your unit. If you just produce a printout,
forget it. But if you can produce the unit with the data still in it, in a
form that you could not have 'loaded' the unit, then it would carry more
weight.
Bottom line is, there is no cut and dry answer to what you want. However, I
WOULD say that if you suspect the data in the unit could affect you
legally, you should get local legal counsel before doing anything with the
data.
And... Now that you mentioned it in public on this forum, I would NOT
destroy the data. Get the unit to your attorney and have him hold it.
Especially if there was an injury involved. (And make sure the batteries
are good so the data doesn't get lost. If you are the subject of
litigation, and the other parties try to go after the data and it is
'missing or lost', you might be held accountable.) You might be
unpleasantly surprised to find out who in your neighborhood also reads this
group.
Mike
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Subject: Re: KA1CQD off course
From: "Dick Stanich" <dick@kb7zva.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 9:50:52
X-Message-Number: 6
>Just thought it was funny how it was showing him so far off...
He is running RELAY,WIDE3-3, and is being heard by more than 10 stations
hooked to the internet. I stopped counting after 10 :) How about more than
10 digipeaters as well? Most are more than 65 miles away from him. Some are
hundreds of miles away. Count the hops and how many digipeaters are in his
path. Then look at all the Igates that 'think' he is local, within 3 hops.
He can reach the nearest Igate in one hop. He probably wants to make sure
he is being heard... he is :) If an Igate thinks he is local to it,
hundreds of miles away following the WinAPRS 3 hop rule, it could get
interesting when they detect a message for him.
I'll fall on my sword and say that his RELAY,WIDE3-3 is too much, since the
nearest Igate is 47 miles away or less. It's not difficult to conclude
what's happening on the RF side. Simply go to findU and look at his raw
data, and how many Igates and digis are in his path. Where are AA3JY-2,
WU2Z, KD7QOT, and WX4LWX in relationship to your local network?
Anyone have an idea what a recommended path should be for KA1CQD?
Dick, KB7ZVA
APRSWest
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Subject: error in APRS+
From: "Bob & Janet" <jbcraft@adelphia.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:39:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7
I hope someone can help me here...
APRS+SA v 2.12
Street Atlas v 7
I (after over a year, maybe two) finally decided it was time to turn the
APRS station back on... if you see my icon, I could be a valuable digi, I
can see I-75 from my porch - it is 200 yards away...
Tried to get my APRSpoint program running with no luck!
second choice... got APRS+SA up and running, found my unlock key, saved my
data, all seemed right with the world...
Today, is a differnet story, I wanted to see a map, so I selected the map
and I got an error back;
sa7.exe has generated errors and will be closed by Windows. You will need to
restart the program. An error log is being created.....
OK, how nice... Restarted SA7, same error. Closed APRS+, shut down the
computer, rebooted, restarted SA7, restarted APRS+, tried to look at a
map... same error.
Tried again, this time started SA7 from inside APRS+ (ctrl-shift-a), same
error.
suggestions?
Bob K8YS
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