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Subject: Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Cap Pennell" <cap@cruzio.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:13:12 -0700
X-Message-Number: 14
The risk to society is much greater than losing anonymity if the archivers
are involved in determining what's illegal or "outside the norm". And they
are.
That's all I'll add because this is going off topic (APRS).
73, Cap
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Subject: UTC Clock
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:13 -0400
X-Message-Number: 15
To make it easier to track PC Sat... you need a clock set to UTC... (that
keeps this thread on topic).
I just bought a 14 inch analog clock from sams club for $15 which sets using
WWV. I took it apart and had no luck lifting the hands off the spindle, but
forcing them around the face worked like a champ. I have set the clock NOT
to adjust for daylight savings time and have set the hour hand for UTC.
Amazingly, it got a "fix" in 15 seconds after installing a battery in it in
the middle of the afternoon. Much better than the radio shack clocks I've
used in the past.
WEs
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Subject: Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:39:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 16
At 04:05 PM 8/19/2003, Steve Dimse wrote:
>I say, if you don't want people to known you are speeding through stop signs,
>the solution is don't speed through stop signs!
Since I started this... As I was 1st to note Janklow's accident on the
SIG, and that I happen to live in South Dakota, about 30 miles from the
accident scene, I guess I'll comment a bit more...
1) The black box in Janklow's Cadillac was seized immediately by the SoDak
Highway Patrol. It is but one piece of evidence in the accident
investigation. It may help or harm Janklow's case. They are not relying
on it to make or break the case. There's plenty of other evidence in this
instance.
2) The SoDak Highway Patrol closed the intersection for 22 hours after the
collision (I hate to call it an accident) and using GPS based surveying
equipment to map the entire scene (debris field, skid marks, etc.). It was
noted that Janklow's vehicle took 300 feet to come to a stop after the
initial impact point. The Highway Patrol said this information will be
feed into a computer and the accident will be re-created/modeled. The also
said that they were treating this accident like any other. But according
to a local poll - something like 94% of people didn't believe it. I am in
the 94%...
3) Janklow has received at least 16 traffic related citations in the last
10 years and numerous parking tickets. South Dakota seals traffic
citations after 10 years, so he probably has more. As I wondered here
before, as a 4 time governor, how many times has he been pulled over and
not cited due to his position?
4) It is clear that Janklow ran the stop sign based on the fact it took
him 300 feet to stop after impact. They still have not publicly released
the speed at which they think he was traveling, but if you do the math,
figuring he left Aberdeen fairgrounds at 2:00 PM and was near Trent SD 2.5
hours later (and 180 road miles) he would've had to have averaged above 70
MPH. I find it hard to believe he could've gone that distance going the
speed limit and obeying all traffic signs, despite the fact that much of
that distance is 75 MPH highway...
If Janklow was speeding AND ran the stop sign, this was not an accident,
but a crime. Given Janklow's track record (pardon the pun), If he is
guilty I hope they give him the maximum penalty the law allows... And I am
a registered Republican.
73,
Mark
KC7BXS
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Subject: Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:51:47 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17
>Yes it's illegal to broadcast false position reports on RF. See the part
>about "false and deceptive signals". If the intent is to conceal or
deceive,
>then it's illegal.
In actual fact, the person did NOT transmit false data. He just fed it to
the internet 'as if' it came from his tracker, via APRS. In actual fact,
I suspect (I can't 'prove' anything) that he just 'played the route' from
his PC and actually had his tracker in the vehicle off while he went
somewhere else.
Now, before someone says he was trying to deceive someone.
Consider the 'rest of the story'. Possessions were contested, and
he was not home, the house could be 'raided' and items taken. Now,
doesn't that justify what he did? Don't be so quick to judge!
But, even if he DID transmit the signal, he's tranmitting a 'valid track
stream of data'. He could claim it was just test data, or even an old
track (maybe it was?) transmitted as a test.
>If you don't want anyone to know where you are, or how fast you're
>driving, then TURN THE BEACON OFF.
>
>If you're worried about getting busted for speeding (incredibly unlikely
>that a judge would admit a hobby toy's output as evidence) then TRY
>DRIVING AT OR UNDER THE POSTED LIMIT.
While our 'toy' data would not be sufficient to convict someone on a
criminal offense by itself, it could make the difference as supporting
evidence in a criminal case. And before you say 'DRIVE LEGAL',
just consider how perfect you are in your driving habits. Never ever
make a wrong turn? Never miss a sign? Or a light? I'm glad
you're perfect! Even if you are... One night I was in a snowstorm.
Came to an intersection. Put my left turnsignal on. Light went green.
The oncoming car flashed for me to go. I turned left. Promptly got
pulled over. "No left turn". Sign was obscured by snow and a
holiday wreath... And the vehicle that motioned me to 'go ahead'
first was the cop. Had to fight that...
>This last one is somewhat of a sore point for me.
>I sometimes think that illiteracy must be a much larger problem than I
>thought it was.
>The sign doesn't say "65 unless everybody else is going faster".
Ah, bull, that's totally not applicable to the discussion, I'm sorry.
>Since starting driving in '74, I've been ticketed for speeding three times.
>I deserved it once, doing 22 in a 20 zone in military housing. They ticket at
10%.
>Unfortunately, my tach reading "20" looked almost identical to my speedo
reading "22".
>The other two were radar "revenue enhancement" tickets which were done under
impossible situations, and all it amounts to is the cop becoming the
troll under the bridge, which is an appalling abuse of power, and even
more appalling that nobody seems to care.
>Similar to red light cameras where the yellow time is shortened to
enhance revenue collections. The cops and your local government are
supposed to be working FOR you, not AGAINST you.
>
>Since '76, I have not been even pulled over except once, for a headlight
failure that literally hadn't even cooled off yet.
>
>So do I have a problem with the cops reading my speed? Hell no.
>Iffen it hurts when you do that, then DON'T DO THAT!
I'm sorry, but your example just prove my case! Why does the
'revenue enhancement' situation make any difference? Heck, I got
pulled over one night after a chase through Bethlehem PA that I hit
100+ mph on a city street. After it was over, I told the cop that, due
to the circumstances, if I was issued any citations (other than a lane
change, prior to the situation developing) that I would see him in
court. Yes, I was the one being chased...
By the way, I was in a 3 piece suit, had a 357Magnum under my
coat that ended up not being very well concealed (the suit was a
bit too tight under the arms...) and in fact got a 'verbal' for the
lane change, and nothing else, once the facts were all sorted out.
In Mass, the town of Natick has a POLICY of ticketing at 1MPH
over. Yep, 1MPH. They were even featured on a Sunday paper
article about it. This is the same town that on some streets the
residents have managed to get 'time restrictions' in place to make
the streets 1-Way against rush hour, until a state judge forced them
to stop. They were forcing almost 3 miles of businesses along Rt 9
to travel into the next town to a SINGLE red light to turn around
at 5pm. Oh... residents were exempt... (The judge ruled that since
the town took state funds to help plow, they couldn't restrict the
roads.)
NO ONE is perfect. And we risk 'self incrimination' by our toys
when we show our imperfection. I'm not talking about robbing a
liquor store. I'm talking about the innocent issues that can develop
and then we suddenly get nail well beyond what's expected.
And yes, I know the 'granularity' of what we do would probably
not, at least not at this time, be 'dangerous' to ourselves. But the
SAME issues a 'generic' person would face suddenly finding out
there's a 'black box' in their vehicle is the same kind of issues we
COULD face at some time in the future.
Mike
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