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Subject: NOSaprs users - please try and upgrade to 15b4 if you can ...
From: Maiko Langelaar <maiko@langelaar.net>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:48:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7
Hello everyone,
For those of you running any version of NOSaprs, can you please try and
upgrade to the latest 15b4 version. The older versions are simply not up to
standard anymore with the current way the APRS internet system functions.
One just has to go to map.findu.com to notice this in the raw data.
If you need help compiling a new version, please don't hesitate to contact me.
The official website for documentation and sources is :
http://www.qsl.net/ve4klm/packet/aprss.html
The documentation is still at version 1.12 - I apologize for letting it
fall so far behind, I hope to get it up to speed in the near future. There
are history notes to make up for it.
Best regards,
Maiko Langelaar, ve4klm
maiko@pcs.mb.ca
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Subject: HF mobile in Cincinatti?
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:25:13 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 8
If you are HF mobile and enroute to Dayton via Cincinatti, swing through
Hyde Park and see what you hear on the power lines. That neighborhood is
so far the only spot we can actually identify on a map that is a known
point source of this new BPL or PLC Technology which may have potential HF
intereference issues..
Still looking...
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Subject: HF mobile in Cincinatti?
From: "Kenneth D. Brown" <W2KB@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:28:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9
>>>>Allentown, PA - Amperion
>>>>Philly, PA - (soon) Pennsylvania Power and Light
Bob,
PP&L does not provide electric distribution service to Philadelphia, it
does serve Allentown, so PP&L is probably the same as the Amperion. If
there is a pilot in Philly, it would be by First Energy, nee PECO, that is
the electric distribution utility there.
Everyone should look at the industry group that is advocation PLC, website:
http://www.plca.net
Especially see the recent comments:
http://www.plca.net/plcauplcreport.pdf
and the comment on the proposed 5Mhz amateur allocation:
http://www.plca.net/website/PLCA.PDF
73,
---Ken W2KB@ARRL.net ARRL Volunteer Counsel, NJ Navy Marine Corps
MARS NNN0SIS
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Subject: HF interference from BPL or PLC
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:33:47 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 10
Three more Broadband-on-Power areas added to the list and more detail:
Cullman, AL - PowerComm test
Atlanta, GA - (soon) Southern Company
Potomac, MD - 70 - Current Technologies/ Potomac Electric Power Co
St Louis, MO - (may be Cape Girardeau?)
Raleigh, NC - Progress Energy
Willmington,NC -
Briarcliffe,NY - Con-Ed
New York, NY - (soon) Con-Edison
Columbus, OH - (soon) American Electric Power (AEP)
Dublin, OH - American Electric Power (AEP)
Hyde Park, OH - Cincinatti, about 100 users
Allentown, PA - Amperion (in the Emmaus area)
PhiladelphiaPA - (soon) Pennsylvania Power and Light
Manassas, VA -
Remember, there are no signals when people aren't using it, so be careful
about reporting "nothing heard". THis is not chicken-little. I'm just
helping people share information about where these Broadband tests are
being conducted so that HAMS living nearby can be alerted to listen..
(or transmit)...
If you live near these, google search your area to find out where and go
drive around and see what you hear.. Here are some other things to search
for... FInding even 1 out of 50 users in a city is a needle in a haystack!
See the ARRL web page: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/
If you find other areas advertised, send me an UPDATE to this list..
>See: http://www.currenttechnologies.com/ : What is PLC?
>Powerline communications (PLC) technology uses the existing local electric
>wires to provide digital communication services such as high-speed Internet
>access, voice over IP (VoIP), video, and in-home networking.
>
>But even skeptics say this year's planned broadband rollouts could be a
>watershed. "If they go well, you'll see a lot of utilities joining the
>bandwagon," says Brett Kilbourne, director of regulatory affairs for United
>Telecom Council, which represents 850 power companies that also offer
>telecommunications services.
de WB4APR, Bob
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Subject: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:07:34 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 11
APRS on Motorcycle Rallye?
Is anyone else going to use APRS in the Aug 11 in Missoula, Montana, and
ends 11 days later back in Missoula. It is called the Iron Butt Rally, and
is the premiere motorcycle endurance rally in the world (the rally director
is only allowing 110 lunatics like me to participate in it this year...over
1,200 registered)...think Everest, the Iditarod, the 24 hours of
LeMans/Daytona, Tour de France, etc... It's on the scale of these events.
Bob
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Subject: Re: HF interference from BPL or PLC
From: Alex <kr1st@amsat.org>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:26:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12
Bob Bruninga wrote:
>I'm just
>helping people share information about where these Broadband tests are
>being conducted so that HAMS living nearby can be alerted to listen..
>(or transmit)...
Just to document how the PLC industry sees us; from a PowerPoint
presentation from PowerComm Systems Inc.:
<quote>
Hurdles to Full Exploitation of PLC
.. Incumbent Spectrum Users' Misplaced Fears of Spectral Loss (e.g.,
Amateur Radio Operators)
</quote>
They conclude that our "fears" are misplaced without even addressing the
interference issue.
From http://www.wave-report.com/other-html-files/uplc2002.htm :
<quote>
John detailed the various ways in which radio waves can travel, and gave
special attention to the sky wave, which bounces off the ionosphere. He
described successful trials wherein a signal in the PLC band was broadcast
in London and picked up in Rome.
</quote>
Now just think what would happen after a large scale roll out of this
technology.
The listen ...and transmit... tests Bob describes are very relevant and
important.
73,
--Alex KR1ST
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Subject: Re: APRS Install on BMW Motorcycle
From: "Clayon H. Owen" <aa3jy@winlink.org>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:2:4
X-Message-Number: 13
Yes..the Iron Butt Rally..not for the 'faint at heart.. Bruninga..your to
soft for such an adventure :)
Clay AA3JY
BMW K1200RS
'Iron Butt' participant
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Subject: Re: HF interference from BPL or PLC
From: "Jim Scott" <jamesescott@adelphia.net>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:41:56 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14
hyde park oh (cincinnati) zip code 45208 shows 39 amateurs in the fcc list.
perhaps we should see if we could get one of them on the bpl test going on
there. i would suggest it would be prudent to not volunteer to the power
company why the person is signing up. any volunteers in 45208?
see you at hamvention
jim scott
n8orj
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Subject: Re: FIPS locator
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <hacker@tc.fluke.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:46:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 15
On Tue, 13 May 2003, John R. Ackermann N8UR wrote:
>--On Monday, May 12, 2003 9:32 PM -0400 Wes Johnston <wes@johnston.net>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.aprs.net/fips/
>
>Question -- are the zip files you download via this site usable in Xastir?
>Several months ago when I tried downloading Tiger files for Xastir (as
>opposed to the live Tiger map, which is really cool if you're online), I
>got lost in the maze of files you needed to grab and identify.
Nope! We use what I consider to be a better format, ESRI
Shapefiles. You can get Tiger data converted to Shapefile format
for free from at least a couple of sites on the net. They're listed
in the Xastir README files.
On the ESRI site you can download by selecting the state/county,
instead of messing with the FIPS codes. You can download a layer
for a whole state at once if you like. Very nice interface, and it
doesn't look like you have to do the free registration anymore (the
site moved from geographynetwork.com to esri.com).
Note: I don't believe Shapefile maps will work directly with
Win/Mac/X-APRS, but I'm sure Mark or Keith will correct me if they
do. It looks like they can use the Shapefile weather alerts though,
which is an entirely different subject.
--
Curt Mills, WE7U hacker_NO_SPAM_@tc.fluke.com
Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin
"Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math!"
"Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates!" -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me: I picked the coordinate system!"
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