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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Wednesday, March 03, 2004.
1. NWS Radar trouble
2. Re: NWS Radar trouble
3. Re: NWS Radar trouble
4. Re: NWS Radar trouble
5. Re: NWS Radar trouble
6. RE: APRS Client Survey
7. RE: APRS Client Survey
8. RE: APRS Client Survey
9. RE: APRS Client Survey
10. RE: APRS Client Survey
11. Re: NWS Radar trouble
12. Re: NWS Radar trouble
13. Re: NWS Radar trouble
14. Re: NWS Radar trouble
15. NOAA fall down and go boom
16. Re: NWS Radar trouble
17. RE: APRS Client Survey
18. Re: [ui-view] RE: APRS Client Survey
19. Re: NOAA fall down and go boom
20. Re: NWS Radar trouble
21. Re: NWS Radar trouble
22. Re: NWS Radar trouble
23. APRS in Mexico
24. Re: NWS Radar trouble
25. Re: NWS Radar trouble
26. Re: NWS Radar trouble
27. Re: NWS Radar trouble
28. Re: NWS Radar trouble
29. Re: NWS Radar trouble
30. Re: NWS Radar trouble
31. Re: [ James Jefferson ] Re: NWS Radar trouble
32. Connector for GBR-21?
33. Re: NWS Radar trouble
34. Re: [ James Jefferson ] Re: NWS Radar trouble
35. Re: NWS Radar trouble
36. Why we wanted the data
37. Balloon article on ARRL.org
38. Re: NWS Radar trouble
39. Re: NWS Radar trouble
40. Re: NWS Radar trouble
41. Stir up the path pot
42. Re: NWS Radar trouble
43. Re: NWS Radar trouble
44. RE: Why we wanted the data
45. Re: NWS Radar trouble
46. Re: NWS Radar trouble
47. Re: NWS Radar trouble
48. OEM GPS modules
49. Need help with Motorola GPS board
50. Re: NWS Radar trouble
51. NWS Radar
52. Re: NWS Radar trouble
53. Re: Balloon article on ARRL.org
54. Re: Balloon article on ARRL.org
55. Re: NWS Radar trouble
56. Anyone know anything about the HP 5302 frequency counter?
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Subject: NWS Radar trouble
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:19:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
Something very strange, and bad, is going on with the NWS radar. About a
third of the country's image sites cannot be accessed, the others all
stopped updating about 0600 UTC.
Never seen this before, hope it is just a glitch that will be fixed when
the right person wakes up and gets his lazy butt to work ;-)
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: NWS Radar trouble
From: Dale Huguley <kg5qd@wxsvr.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:35:57 +0000
X-Message-Number: 2
Steve Dimse wrote:
>Something very strange, and bad, is going on with the NWS radar. About a third
>of the country's image sites cannot be accessed, the others all stopped
updating>about 0600 UTC.
>
>Never seen this before, hope it is just a glitch that will be fixed when the
>right person wakes up and gets his lazy butt to work ;-)
Yep- Weathertap is still current so the basic system must be up- does
this mean there is a single point of failure for NWS Radar images using NWS?
73 de kg5qd Dale
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Subject: Re: NWS Radar trouble
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:40:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3
On 3/3/04 at 12:35 PM Dale Huguley <kg5qd@wxsvr.net> sent:
>Yep- Weathertap is still current so the basic system must be up- does
>this mean there is a single point of failure for NWS Radar images using NWS?
Would seem so, or else they decided to get rid of the free images.
This has nothing to do with findU or the way I use images, if you go to the
NWS radar site:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/radar_tab.html
And click on the US, any area you click will bring up an old map...
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: NWS Radar trouble
From: "PKarp" <kd5aay@karpfamily.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:54:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
Would seem so, or else they decided to get rid of the free images.
This has nothing to do with findU or the way I use images, if you go to the
NWS radar site:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/radar_tab.html
And click on the US, any area you click will bring up an old map...
Steve K4HG
Everywhere I clicked I got an up to date map? Try clearing out your temp
Inet files.
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Subject: Re: NWS Radar trouble
From: Robbie WA9INF <mwrobertson@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:32:36 -0600
X-Message-Number: 5
I know we know the difference between Local and UTC, but all of the
areas I click on shows a radar image of 05:52 UTC, which is several
hours old, :-(
Maybe, just maybe, there is a secret conspiracy to get rid of Freebie
type of services, such as APRS's users. 8 million hits a month to FINDU,
let alone the millions of non aprs hits at these Radar and Map sites
receive since the onslaught of Cable modems and always connected operation.
Do we unnecessarily bombard these sites just because we can? What is
involved Steve, of maintaining such sites?
Robbie
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Subject: RE: APRS Client Survey
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:06:10 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6
I have posted the results of the Survey and the Destination Stats. PLEASE
READ the associated text that goes with the graphs BEFORE commenting on
them. I think I did okay with the disclaimers on each. Those with more
legal skills could probably do better.
http://personal.ecu.edu/christensene/Client%20Software.htm
Now I forget why we were even getting the data! :)
Thanks,
Eric KF4OTN
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Subject: RE: APRS Client Survey
From: Robbie WA9INF <mwrobertson@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:20:36 -0600
X-Message-Number: 7
Why did you exclude UI-View32 which is easily noted by APUxxx, or what
am I missing on your graph?
Great job BTW
Robbie
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Subject: RE: APRS Client Survey
From: Robbie WA9INF <mwrobertson@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:23:30 -0600
X-Message-Number: 8
STUPID me!!!! Please excuse my dumb post Eric and others, That is
really not seeing the forest for the trees are in the way, Really blind,
I apologize!
Robbie
Christensen, Eric wrote:
>I have posted the results of the Survey and the Destination Stats. PLEASE
>READ the associated text that goes with the graphs BEFORE commenting on
>them. I think I did okay with the disclaimers on each. Those with more
>legal skills could probably do better.
>
>http://personal.ecu.edu/christensene/Client%20Software.htm
>
>Now I forget why we were even getting the data! :)
>
>Thanks,
>Eric KF4OTN
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Subject: RE: APRS Client Survey
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:27:44 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9
It is there... UI-View TOTAL = UI-View16 + UI-View32 + UI-View + UI-View
Terminal... I kept the numbers together like the Xastir.
Just for play...
UI-View - 492
UI-View16 - 10
UI-View32 - 161
UI-View Terminal - 4
The definitions didn't specify on some of the UI-View addresses so I just
combined them.
Eric
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Subject: RE: APRS Client Survey
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:28:48 -0500
X-Message-Number: 10
No prob... It is early in the morning isn't it? :)
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie WA9INF [mailto:mwrobertson@comcast.net]
STUPID me!!!! Please excuse my dumb post Eric and others, That is
really not seeing the forest for the trees are in the way, Really blind, I
apologize!
Robbie
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Subject: Re: NWS Radar trouble
From: James Jefferson <jj@aprsworld.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:31:41 -0600
X-Message-Number: 11
>Maybe, just maybe, there is a secret conspiracy to get rid of Freebie
>type of services, such as APRS's users. 8 million hits a month to FINDU,
>let alone the millions of non aprs hits at these Radar and Map sites
>receive since the onslaught of Cable modems and always connected operation.
Since 29 Feb I've gotten 240,214 hits from findu. So basically three days.
Multiply that by 10 and it is a little over 2.4 million hits a month.
>Do we unnecessarily bombard these sites just because we can? What is
>involved Steve, of maintaining such sites?
YES!
I'm now supply Steve will all of his mapping for the find.cgi page. The vast
majority of those maps are comming out of my cache which means they have been
requested before.
This is because Steve has every page automatically refresh and on every page
has 3 maps.
Let's compare findu.com to aprsworld.net:
aprsworld:
http://db.aprsworld.net/datamart/switch.php?call=k0ny-7&table=position&=
maps=yes&search=Search
aprsworld requests one map and then lets the user zoom if they want. I have
capabilities to have the page automatically refresh but in the last two years
I've only had a handful of people request it.
findu:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?k0ny-7
findu requests three maps right off the bat. Then every 3 minutes it requests
it again. and again. and again.
From a systems standpoint if I wanted to reduce the ammount of maps requested
by findu I would do the following:
1) turn off auto refreshing and makes that a button or checkbox to enable.
or
1) only automatically refresh pages that have something moving on them.
2) request only one map and one scale and let the user zoom if they want more.
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There are radar mosaics of the US nexrad available so all that Steve has to
do to get radar back on his site is go to the effort to use that free data
and do the processing himself.
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