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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Friday, February 20, 2004.
1. use of SSID for trackers
2. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
3. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
4. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
5. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
6. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
7. Re: use of SSID for trackers
8. The Dummy is STUMPED
9. RE: UHF APRS frequency
10. Re: The Dummy is STUMPED
11. Re: The Dummy is STUMPED
12. TCP/IP operation - NOT
13. Re: The Dummy is STUMPED
14. eTREX to THD7
15. Re: The Dummy is STUMPED
16. APRS Programs...
17. eTREX to THD7
18. Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
19. Re: The Dummy is STUMPED
20. Re: APRS Programs...
21. Re: eTREX to THD7
22. Re: APRS Programs...
23. Re: No more RELAY,WIDE defaults for fixed stns
24. Four APRS balloon flights scheduled this weekend
25. ping
26. RE: UHF APRS frequency
27. Re: Tetroon construction?
28. Canadian topo maps
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Subject: use of SSID for trackers
From: "Neville A. Cross" <yn1ncv@arrl.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:36:36 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1
Hello,
I am trying to figure out what SSID to use on my tracker. I am not sure if
there is an agrement for the use of different SSID. There is a webpage with
info regarding this? I haven't found it.
In NIcaragua we agreed to use the following:
-0 terminal
-1 pms/pbbs
-3 gateway for cross connection
-7 node
Any suggestion about what we have agreed over here?
I have seen that node connection uses SSID from 15 and above. Is that
correct? Also I have seen that aprspeed program for PIC-E use only one
digit for SSID.
I am specially concern about the implications for aprs software. There are
agreement on the symbols that a packet without the GPSxx path setting and
with a specific SSID will be on the screen? Any suggestion about what would
be a good ssid for mobiles to use?
Thanks in advance
Neville A. Cross
YN1NCV
yn1ncv@arrl.net
Apartado Postal 5724
Managua, Nicaragua.
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Subject: Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:52:33 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2
On 2/19/04 at 5:18 PM Adi Linden <adil@adis.on.ca> sent:
>That answers the question I didn't ask yet :) I will upload a Toporama map
>(one single sample) later. If it's suitable, I have all of Canada...
hmmm...I see the map in the directory, but it never made it into the
database. Did you see any error messages when you submitted the map?
Where did these maps come from?
Since you have so many, I'll probably do a special program to import them
all without making you enter each one into the web form.
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:01:22 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3
On 2/19/04 at 11:23 PM Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net> sent:
>Well, we are running far afield here so it is best to look at what I said
>first regarding your request on http://mm.aprs.net/submit.html regarding
>custom user generated maps. It was:
>
>"I created this map, hold the copyrights to it, and agree to its unlimited
>distribution by aprs.net"
>
>and I suggested, in the spirit of the GPL, you change it to:
>
>"I created this map, hold the copyrights to it, and agree to its unlimited
>distribution"
>
>What is the problem with that?
The problem is the same that I have with Richard Stallman. After eating
dinner with him for a week on a Geek Cruise, his true agenda became clear
to me. He is seeking power (the ability to make decisions for others) not
freedom (the ability to make decisions for oneself). I am not seeking
power, I have a hundred times more power than I want with my job...when you
attain power, it becomes very clear that the with the power comes
responsibility and scrutiny that (for me at least) far outweigh any
benefits that come from the power.
The unqualified clause you are asking would feel to me like a wielding of
power. I'd be asking people to give up more rights than is necessary for
the project at hand.
>If the project is supposed to be in the GPL, then this would be in that same
>spirit that the maps are available to all in the project instead of just
>being licensed to Steve Dimse/aprs.net Openess and sharing in the spirit of
>the GPL I am talking about. APRS.NET is your property and if I contribute a
>map to this project, I want to make it available to everyone in the project,
>not just for your personal use.
First, once again, you are personalizing this. The request was for
aprs.net, not me, and as I've said many times on the sig, anyone that wants
a name in the aprs.net domain need only ask, there are around a hundred
people that have taken advantage of this over the years. aprs.net is a
resource that I believe belongs to the APRS community, a domain over which
I am just the steward. aprs.org is a domain which I registered for Bob's
use, and findU.com, ariss.net, and the others are my domains.
However, as I noted in my email yesterday, I do see some validity in your
point, so I'm asking for "unlimited distribution within APRS", allowing
people to keep their rights outside APRS should they choose to do so.
Finally, and most importantly, most vector maps (in fact all that I have
seen so far, though there must be exceptions) are released into the public
domain, so requiring the GPL on a map actually will INCREASE the
restrictions placed on the use and distribution of those maps.
Again, in my opinion there is no reason that datafiles used with GPL
software need to be under the GPL. If that were the case, no one could use
Apache, Perl, and MySQL on commercial sites!
>>After a little more consideration I have said "within APRS". The
>>reasons I don say GPL are those outlined above.
>
>"within APRS" is not public domain and certainly not a restriction you can
>expect to use in the context of a GPL project.
I'm not claiming it is public domain, but again, I believe the data used by
GPL projects need not follow any particular license. The product of this
project is the code and the database, not the maps themselves.
>For what it is worth, there is a whole world out there that can use
>affordable technologies like this. The handicapped, rural school districts,
>consumers, disadvantage areas, etc etc. Why anyone would want to restrict its
>use to Rich Old White Men who like to Play Radio, is beyond me, but to each
>their own.
I agree. I did not say "for unlimited distribution within APRS, and only
within APRS". Authors are free to have even less restrictive terms, and as
I say, all I've seen are in the public domain (though I admit I haven't
been paying that much attention until now).
I'm only asking on the web page for what is needed to allow APRS MM to use
the maps, and not requesting authors to give up any additional rights not
required. I believe that is the right thing to do.
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:02:06 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
On 2/20/04 at 9:52 AM Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org> sent:
>hmmm...I see the map in the directory, but it never made it into the database.
>Did you see any error messages when you submitted the map?
Oops, sorry, I meant to send that privately...
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
From: "Laurie - g6isy" <g6isy@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:16:02 -0000
X-Message-Number: 5
Steve Dimse wrote:
>I'm only asking on the web page for what is needed to allow APRS MM
>to use the maps, and not requesting authors to give up any additional
>rights not required. I believe that is the right thing to do.
I'll stick my head above the parapet and say I agree with you Steve.
73 Laurie - G6ISY
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Subject: Re: APRS Map Manager Submittals
From: John <bigjohn45@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:46:02 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6
I second that emotion. Oops sorry not allowed.
Ducking behind the pair of pets.
At 10:16 AM 2/20/04, you wrote:
>Steve Dimse wrote:
>>I'm only asking on the web page for what is needed to allow APRS MM
>>to use the maps, and not requesting authors to give up any additional
>>rights not required. I believe that is the right thing to do.
>>
>
>I'll stick my head above the parapet and say I agree with you Steve.
>
>73 Laurie - G6ISY
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Subject: Re: use of SSID for trackers
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:23:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7
>>>"Neville A. Cross" <yn1ncv@arrl.net> 2/20/04 9:36:36 AM >>>
>I am trying to figure out what SSID to use on my tracker. I am not sure if
>there is an agrement for the use of different SSID. There is a webpage with
>info regarding this? I haven't found it.
See http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/errata.html
Which contains notes on many details such as this that are not included in
the APRS spec. See the link to SSID CONVENTIONS
de WB4APR, Bob
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