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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Tuesday, December 30, 2003.
1. RE: KF4UXI
2. RE: KF4UXI
3. Garmin E-Trex
4. Re: Garmin E-Trex
5. Re: Garmin E-Trex
6. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
7. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
8. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
9. Re: Unproto
10. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
11. New APRS862 (for DOS)
12. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
13. MILEMARKS in APRS
14. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
15. Charlottsville Va PL-100 Digi?
16. Survey Questions
17. Re: Better DOS APRS maps?
18. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
19. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
20. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
21. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
22. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
23. Re: New APRS862 (for DOS)
24. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
25. Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
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Subject: RE: KF4UXI
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:45:01 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1
Okay, well if he is already running Weather Display, I bet we can get him
onto some software that already works hand-in-hand with Weather Display,
like UI-View32.
Will send him something in the mail if I cannot get him on the radio.
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Dimse [mailto:k4hg@tapr.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 23:27
To: Christensen, Eric
Subject: Re: [aprssig] KF4UXI
On 12/28/03 at 10:45 PM Christensen, Eric <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU> sent:
>KF4UXI>APRS,TCPXX*,qAX,KF4UXI:@290330z3605.73N/07543.97W_018/000g000t03
>KF4UXI>8r000
>p000P000b10305h00.WD
>
>Does anyone have an email address for KF4UXI? It appears as if he is
>connected to the IS via an non-validated connection and I was going to
>see if I could help him remedy this problem. Messages to his station
>go un-acked. Very good weather data coming in, though. Gosh, I hope
>he is on RF, too! That would be outstanding!
From his packet (specifically the .WD on the end) he is running Weather
Display, which is an internet only program. I'm not sure if WD allows user
entered APRS IS validation numbers, some of the programs for Citizen Weather
do and some don't, but there is no reason to bother, it will not change
anything...
Steve K4HG
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Subject: RE: KF4UXI
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:12:30 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
>I'm not sure if WD allows user
>entered APRS IS validation numbers, some of the programs for Citizen Weather
>do and some don't, but there is no reason to bother, it will not change
>anything...
>
>Steve K4HG
The "purchased" version of Weather Display allows the use of validation
numbers and server selection as of a few years ago. I do not know if the
free 'NWS' version allows for this.
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: Garmin E-Trex
From: "David Thege" <dthege@conpoint.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:30:36 -0600
X-Message-Number: 3
Does the Garmin E-Trex have street maps in it? Can a street map be
downloaded to it. A friend of mine just got one and we cannot get any street
maps to display. The datum is set to WGS-84.
Dave N0XBN
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Subject: Re: Garmin E-Trex
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:30:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
>Does the Garmin E-Trex have street maps in it? Can a street map be
>downloaded to it. A friend of mine just got one and we cannot get any street
>maps to display. The datum is set to WGS-84.
>Dave N0XBN
Depends on the model. The 'e-Trex' is now a whole series. I bought my
son the base e-Trex (the yellow unit) and it does NOT display maps.
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Subject: Re: Garmin E-Trex
From: "David Thege" <dthege@conpoint.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:21:13 -0600
X-Message-Number: 5
My friend got the Yellow one. I guess he'll have to dig up his money chest
if he wants street maps. Thanks
Dave N0XBN
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Subject: Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:38:18 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 6
I guess someone is IGating Citizens WX to RF in your area. I guess the
packets are actually being transmitted under the callsign of the IGate and
so are probably legal in the strict sense. But I wonder if we want do be
doing things this way...
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, K3XT wrote:
>Thanks for the info. Well here are the CW stations I have that came via
>144.390 Mhz (mobile D700) in FLA.
>CW0041 N31.14.23 W081.29.70
>CW0261 N27.58.90 W082.49.16
>CW0262 N27.16.75 W080.19.78
>CW0699 N27.53.68 W082.44.09
>CW0854 N28.01.67 W082.36.97
>CW1018 N28.03.72 W082.26.07
>CW1327 N28.56.53 W082.25.05
>
>Sean - K3XT
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Subject: Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
From: "Chris Schwab" <1schwab1@Tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:03:45 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7
Bob and the group:
We are gating these stations here in the West Central Florida area. I'm
gating a couple out of the Clearwater area and Dave KG4YZY is gating the
rest out of Pasco County. We use APRS heavily for weather information in
this area, and thought this information would be useful on RF.
We specified the stations we wanted to see on RF, and didn't enable generic
gating of all of the CW stations. Why would you think we shouldn't be doing
it this way? As you said below, we are taking responsibility for the
transmissions under our callsigns..
73,
Chris N4BSA
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Subject: Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
From: "Pkarp" <kd5aay@karpfamily.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:22:32 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8
>I guess someone is IGating Citizens WX to RF in your area. I guess the
>packets are actually being transmitted under the callsign of the IGate and
>so are probably legal in the strict sense. But I wonder if we want do be
>doing things this way...
Are you implying that these packets be sent as object only?
I think thats a great Idea!
I also think that we must remember that CW stations are not third party
traffic.
Rather they are simply a data source.
The only problem with this is that control of an object can be taken over by
another station.
Which really is not a problem unless its abused.
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Subject: Re: Unproto
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 30 Dec 2003 12:31:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9
Oh heck.. I saw a bunch of things while I drove most of the east coast
these past 10 days. One of the things that became VERY obvious which is
not when at home and occasionally on the internet is the number of
stations that gate a LOT of traffic from the internet to RF.
When at home it can be good DX either direct or via a couple of digi's
that have enhanced conditions, or even via the internet by mistake but
when doing 70 mph mobile if you hear it 99% of the time it is from a
local.
As far as UNPROTO's I just love to see those effective digi's that do a
WIDE-3 on each and every position report, god that creates traffic
sometimes spanning 3 states! Or worse yet the digi's that do WIDE-3
while in the meantime can't decode a packet from a mobile 4 miles away,
talk about an aligator.A digi that covers 50-80 miles has no real need
to tie up a network with 3 hops announcing it's position every 15
minutes. If other digi's within those 3 hops also have good coverage you
can be sending out position reports for stationary objects every 15
minutes over several hundred miles
There is GREAT need for proper education and in some cases peer pressure
in the APRS community. It can get out of hand quick if some of these
people start "teaching" others.
On the same hand though I got to say that there are a lot of people out
there with some very effective home and remote locations across the east
coast, I was very impressed this year at the coverage that I managed to
maintain. Still stumped that in GA other than in Brunswick/Jacksonville
FL there is no APRS activity for the entire strech of I-95. Coverage on
the NJ/DEL border along I-95 was also lacking a bit considering it's
close proximity to the "epicenter" shall we call it of APRS, MD/DC.
Rich
K4GPS
On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 11:21, Earl Needham wrote:
> Since we're on the subject, let me relate what I saw not too long
>ago --
>
> Somebody was using a path of RELAY,WIDE7-7,SGATE on their
>mobile. Too bad I can't remember where I was when I saw it. It might be
>interesting to watch for these things for a while, and see what we might
>get fixed. Or not get fixed, as the case may be.
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Subject: Re: APRS CWXXXX ID
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 30 Dec 2003 12:45:49 -0500
X-Message-Number: 10
I don't think that one or two people gating a few CW stations is the
point, it's not a big deal but if one or two can do it then others may
say well I can do it too and add a few more to a point where it is a
LOT.
Also the distance that these are gated may be an issue, someone gating
in their community/region has every right to do so if that is what the
locals want but when they are gated out and go out all over a state or
more than one state some may feel that is imposing someone elses want's
on their network.
For instance some may appreciate some local CW stations but I can care
less about conditions in TX, OR, MA etc. or the location of W1AW which
some people (more than one by the way) gateway to VHF.
Just in the past 2 days I saw a few different places where locals are
igating' seemingly random home stations from all over the country on to
VHF, don't hurt ? whell try to get a packet in edge wise that does not
collide while crossing the digi's area and see what happens. When you
have maybe 10-20 minutes at the most of digi coverage crossing a region,
conditions open up and digi's are loaded up with packets from
surrounding communities, a local is gating from the internet and you are
trying to get a 30w signal out at 70 mph with fading and 18 wheelers
blocking your signal you will see what I mean. It's not always that bad
but it can be and that is for a person who can send a packet on demand
or sends it out every minute. Take a mobile that sends out a packet at a
more rational 5 minutes and your success rate has just dropped to zip in
many cases.
Rich
K4GPS
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