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Packet-Radio Digest Thu, 22 Jul 99 Volume 99 : Issue 169
Today's Topics:
FS: UHF 2-way radios
Future of Packet (3 msgs)
Kenwood TH-D7 (or TH-7D!)
Linuxnet and xfbb? (3 msgs)
Linux node talking to BPQ node ??????/
NEWBIE: How to get onto packet radio with no knowledge...
Packet with a HP-95
Utah HF Pactor/Clover ??
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:35:15 -0000
From: "DOGBOY@TELEPORT.COM" <dogboy@teleport.com>
Subject: FS: UHF 2-way radios
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and bid on them. Private bids to dogboy@teleport.com okay.
DOGBOY
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:50:58 +0000
From: "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org>
Subject: Future of Packet
On 17 Jul 1999, FeLiXTCPIP wrote:
> Packet is a very interesting mode of communication. I must be really
annoying
> you from the other newsgroup, but you will not be able to browse the
internet.
> TCP/IP is for connecting to a friends computer via the radio.
>
> You will not be able to use the internet, because radio isn't full duplex,
and
> its very slow. Its either 1200, or 9600 baud.
>
> To use the internet get an ISP, its faster, and more reliable.
Although I do agree with the "getting an ISP" statement above, I disagree that
one cannot use the internet at all via packet. As a set of experiments, some
of us in Southern California did things over TCP/IP, including the following:
- Web page browsing. OK, so it takes 30 seconds to load a 6kb page.
- FTP: JNOS 1.11x7 source (1.2Mb) - took 11 hours, 30 min @ 1200 baud.
(the frequency also had about 10 other active stations beaconing)
OK, so it's possible but SLOW. No one claimed one could do anything at any
decent speed.
Our local Packet BBS sysop organization keeps the AX.25 network going in case
of DISASTER (among other reasons). Do you really think you can use the
internet after a 9.0 earthquake wipes out all the telco's? (If in the
midwest,
replace earthquake with a nice F5 tornado, or in Florida, a hurricane).
> HAM radio isn't about getting free internet, or free phone calls. Its more
> about communicating with people, making friends,learning new technology, and
> helping out. It isn't a substitute to your telephone line.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:14:00 -0700
From: Clinton <cpeebles@_nospam_netidea.com>
Subject: Future of Packet
FeLiXTCPIP wrote:
> Also, if you have a GPS you can participate in APRS.
Yo don't have to have a GPS to participate in APRS. You only need the
GPS if you have a mobile tracker setup.
--
Kill the MAI
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Clinton Peebles VE7KNL DN19ie
Salmo, B.C. Canada
E-Mail: cpeebles@netidea.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:16:45 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Future of Packet
Charles:
Great reply, I love it! So there really are folks out there in packet radio
land with "fire in the belly".
Charles, I have been a "user" of amateur packet radio since it was first
started [In Canada, to be specific Montreal, I was then VE2POB, God bless
Dr. John DeMercado, the former DOC Director General, wherever he has roamed,
he loved X.25, heh, heh.] I have been a keen observer of what has been
happening to the packet mode. I am saddened by the general lack of
progress. I believe we owe most of where we got to with this to Martin F.
Jue who was the first to make inexpensive commercial TNC's widely available.
Without the advent of the MFJ TNC's only a few hardcore electronic/firmware
experimenters would ever have participated.
I have watched the commercial world catch up and pass by all of the amateur
packet radio activitiy.
I believe that most amateur packet radio adherents are in "DENIAL" about
their future. It's somewhat remeniscent of the ancient CW versus phone
debates. TCP/IP? Get over it! The world has gone to "IP over everything",
let's try to make use of cheap volume produced almost free ubiquitous
technology wherever possible.
Charles, I appreciate how hurt you must feel about the "damage" done to the
current AX.25 packet network, but one has to be realistic about this. In
order for packet radio to get back to a "growth mode", we need more, not
fewer, participants. Most of the older participants have tired of the slow
applications, we need to give them and expecially newcomers some "compelling
"new applications, especially the "youth" on which the future of our hobby
depends.
Kicking my as won't help that. "Just do it"!
Best Regards,
Peter AB4BC
Charles Brabham wrote in message <7mv6c3$tmq@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>
>Peter O. Brackett wrote in message
<7mtvg7$mqp@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...
>>Folks:
>>
>>The main problem with amateur packet radio networks today is that they are
>>agonizingly SLOW compared to the readily and economically available
>>commercial alternatives. Modern data networking applications simply don't
>>work well when running only at 300 bps, or 1200 bps. [or even at 56,000
>>bps!]
>
>That excuse is at least a decade old, and has no more validity now than it
>had ten years ago.
>
>In fact, the essential negativity about our present packet net contained
>within that line of alleged "reasoning" has served to stifle any progress
we
>might have made during that time, as it stifles any progress we might be
>making now.
>
>We can thank the Amateur TCPIP community for this particular bit of idiocy.
>
>In other places where Hams were not discouraged from using, enjoying, and
>improving their packet net by Amateur TCPIP propagandists, there has been
>uninterrupted growth during the last ten years. Since those Hams worked on
>their packet nets instead of sitting around talking about how slow they
>were, now they have the "fast" kind of packet net this person is talking
>about as he mindlessly parrots the old amateur TCPIP "party line" one more
>time..
>
>Here in the USA, we've had that negative, essentially anti-Ham sentiment
>expressed to us so many times that it has become the Amateur TCPIP
mantra. -
>An endless buzz of unreasoning stupidity.
>
>News Flash:
>
>Running down what people have and what they are currently doing is not a
>good first step to making things better.. In fact, it's a sure recipe for
>miring yourself permanently in mediocrity.
>
>>
>>If we don't do something to address the speed issue with amateur packet
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