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>>radio, I believe that it will simply die from boredom! Also the whole
>world
>>has now migrated to TCP/IP. There are currently over 300 million
terminals
>>world wide that now speak TCP/IP! We are still in the dark ages with
>AX.25.
>>Face it, there are no more commercial X.25 networks. The world has moved
>>on! What?
>
>The fastest, most extensive packet network in the world uses - AX25. -
Duh!
>
>tcpip is run OVER that AX25 net at high speed, allowing use of many of the
>applications this individual mentioned in his anti-ham tirade.
>
>Another way amateur tcpip devotees have held back the USA packet net is by
>their legendary stupidity and ignorance about packet radio. They are too
>busy making disparaging comments and uninformed suggestions to devote any
of
>their time to actually finding out what's going on.
>
>They have the "too smart to learn" syndrome, which pretty wells dooms them
>to perpetual ignorance.
>
>>
>>I ask, how can we as amateur radio packet radio enthusiasts [sic] get our
>>act together and get out of the 1200 bps AX.25 "swamp"?
>
>First step: Take all that negative amateur tcpip propaganda and stick it
>where the sun don't shine.
>
>>
>>Lord knows we have plenty of RF bandwidth still available to us [for now].
>
>Yes, it's true that many great node sites have been lost to the general
>malaise our amateur tcpip "gurus" have generated with their unreasoning
>hostility toward any amateur packet radio activity they notice which is not
>"pure" tcpip.
>
>>
>>If we don't get organized for success in this area, we will end up losing
>>all of those uwave frequencies, and the younger generation will simply be
>>surfing the Internet or Internet2 without us!
>
>Ham radio is not for Internet surfing, Bozo. After busting your butt to
>come up with high-speed RF access to the Internet, what you will discover
is
>that a great percentage of what is on the Internet is ILLEGAL to transmit
>over the Ham bands.
>You will also discover that commercial outfits can and do provide faster RF
>access with no such restrictions. Only a complete idiot would even express
>an interest in "Ham Radio web-browsing". It is simply not appropriate or
>practical.
>
>The general reaction to this among amateur tcpip morons is " well lets get
>rid of those restrictions against commercial activity and porno!"
>
>Yes, they are THAT stupid and self-absorbed! Amazing but true.
>
>They are THAT ready to destroy Amateur Radio entirely, if they see it as
the
>expedient thing for promoting amateur tcpip above all else.. With this
>attitude, amateur tcpip devotees show a complete disregard for the welfare
>of Amateur Radio and their fellow Hams.
>
>If it were up to me, every one of them would be too busy picking my boot
out
>of their asses to cause any more trouble for the US packet net.
>
>73 DE Charles Brabham,
>N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
>http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>
>
>
>
>
>.
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Date: 22 Jul 1999 02:00:33 GMT
From: ntoombes@aol.com (Neil Toombes)
Subject: Kenwood TH-D7 (or TH-7D!)
Hi folks.
So, I am currently looking for an handheld 2m/70cm radio. The new Kenowwd TH-
D7
(or the other way, TH-7D) looks quite a useful piece of kit. Anyone out there
have any experiences of it? I guess Iwill mainly use the "phone" side of the
radio as I already have packet gear but I guess the built in TNC will have
some
use.
Some questions I have are:-
a) I am planning to visit the USA (California) next year and it would be
usefull to be able to send packet messages back home via the packet network.
Can I use the keypad on the Kenwood to type in the messages and send? I really
dont want to have to take the laptop with me aswell.
b) I believe that I can use the radio to monitor the packet cluster. Does this
use its own display for this?
c) Any comments on the audio side of the radio for both TX and RX.
d) Does anyone know if it can be easily widebanded? A UK version will only
cover the UK portion of the bands (144 to 146 MHz) but the USA has another
2MHz
tacked on to the end. From my previous visits to the USA as a 2m listener I
know that there is quite alot of activity on this last 2 MHz.
Hope someone can help me. If you have answers tot hese wuetions or any other
comments on the radio, please email me at NToombes@aol.com. Your views will be
much appreciated, good or bad!!
Regards
Neil Toombes, Basingstoke, Hampshire
Email:- NToombes@aol.com
Amateur Radio Callsign:- G7WFU/M0CJM
IP Address:- 44.121.223.24
Packet(AX.25):- G7WFU@GB7TVG.#42.GBR.EU
Amprnet:- G7WFU@G7WFU.ampr.org
>.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:26:08 -0400
From: "Paul H.P. Christen" <paulc@midgaard.net>
Subject: Linuxnet and xfbb?
It is clear to me that you dont know what you are talking about. Did you
install KDE on your Linux box? (www.kde.org). If you did, you would see a
user interface thats AT LEAST as good as ms windows.
Yes. Linux is better. I have a C++ compiler that comes with linux, free. I
have a ms office type application, free. I have PERL, free (now on windows
too, but MUCH better support under linux). I have Gnuplot, Gimp, et
cetera, et cetera.
is it more flexible than windows? are you kidding me. I dont even know
where to start on that sillyness. go to www.linux.org and read.
If you dont like linux because you dont use it, fine, you dont understand
it. But dont bash it until you try it, twit.
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Charles Brabham wrote:
> erik@fornax.nl wrote in message <7n2p8b$8rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >Dear Om,
> >
> >We are setting up a bbs/node station. Because of the flexibility we
> >want to use linuxnet.
>
> After reading the rest of your post, I got to wondering...
>
> Where is this alleged "flexibility" in LINUX?
>
> After I installed LINUX on one of my machines yesterday, what I got for my
> effort was the same old stilted, barren interface I had come to associate
> with the mainframe at the local college.. Yuk!
>
> It always amazed me when I was in school that the university's computer was
> ten years behind the old Commodore C-128 I was using at the time, as far as
> the user interface goes.
>
> Instead of being flexible, LINUX strikes me as being particularly
> inflexible. Everything has to be just so, and you end up with the latest in
> 1970's computing, with lots of archaic commands to memorize because the
> interface is so un-intuitive and backward.
>
> I have to admit to being utterly amazed now that some folks see LINUX as
> some sort of replacement for more capable operating systems such as DOS or
> WinDoze.
>
> Is there ANY advantage in using LINUX instead of DOS or WinDoze? If so,
> what might that be? In what way are LINUX users compensated for having to
> put up with a 1970's style user interface?
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham,
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>
>
>
>
>
--
"If everything seems under control, you just aren't going fast enough"
-- Mario Andretti
paulc@midgaard.net
>.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:28:34 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Linuxnet and xfbb?
Paul H.P. Christen wrote in message ...
>It is clear to me that you dont know what you are talking about. Did you
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