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Warren, Bob's doubts were on the articles to which I refered him on 
hydrogen systems. All I can say to that is many of the commentators and 
authors on the Energy Bulletin and The Oil Drum are professional oil 
industry people and way out stuff does not get publiched there.
There recently was a series devoted to the techniques of oil drilling.
It was facinating the way they can manipulate the drilling bits all that 
way underground. They drill holes in the sides of the wells and how they 
measure pressures etc.
It certainly showed why it is such an expensive business.

Now regarding the bus trials, as I mentioned earlier, I met my son's 
father in law in the UK a couple of months ago and as the CEO of a bus 
manufacturing company he was on a UK government committee on alternative 
fuels for the bus industry. The latest word is that the trial is OK but 
they have still not overcome the short life exoectancy of the fuel cells.
Ceretainly the maintenance of the rest of the transmission costs being 
electric would be but I don't know how much of the fuel cell cost would 
be offset.
2 lines up should be-> electric would be less but ->

The articles I pointed Bob to point up the problems in the hydrogen 
production and distribution system. Imagine ten times as many hydrogen 
tankers on the road as there are petrol tankers now !

As Bob pointed out it is not a pollution problem but a liquid fuels 
problem. Certainly we should be using CNG as we have so much of it.
Trouble is they need to sell it to the Chinese to get their investment 
back quickly. It will yake a long time to convert our transport usage to 
CNG. Never the less we should do it and stop export to China and others.

I notice you both send multiple bulletins each time I see a daily list.
The word seems to be that we will have a chance of seeing rather tight 
supply this year, but probably not shortages. Price of oil by middle of 
year over US$100 a barell. That might shake things up a bit.

73 Barry VK2AAB


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