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VE3WBZ > FOOD 18.08.12 03:31l 110 Lines 4351 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: RE: VXA's Pizza and Fish
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TO: FOOD @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Friday, August 17th.,2012 @ 2106hrs EST <JPST>
<< Quoting KB2VXA to FOOD @WW >>
> From : KB2VXA To : FOOD @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 17-Aug 13:19
> Bid : 23727_VK6ZRT Message # : 76164
> Title : Re: VE3WBZ > Chinese gefilte fish
>
> Hi Pete and all,
>
> Origins end up hotly disputed so here's another puzzle.
Hi Warren and all.,
Actually there is nothing to hotly disputed in the origins of pizza,
as most things I have read, point to Mrs. Scagilione's description
of being a simple bread of leftovers cooked and enjoyed.
There is stone age evidence of some made in Sardina that is an early
form of pizza.
Most people around the med, made this form of bread, and it streches
from Asian even to native peoples in the Americas making a straight
bread.
I said Arab, for most of the areas that made a form of this bread
were Arab, and as well being on the trade routes and center of
the world as known then they could sample dishes, and keep what
they liked, as well passing it on.
> Gefilte fish is patties or balls made from deboned and ground carp,
> whitefish, or pretty much anything that sticks together well and
> is said to be of Jewish origin. So what do you call the fish balls
> in seaweed soup my Chinese girlfriend fed me for breakfast?
> Some years before a Jewish Russian friend (an immigrant) fed me the
> same thing as part of the evening meal. No, she's a Buddhist from Taiwan.
Haven't a clue.
> When it comes to pita there's another conflict, you say it's Italian
> flat bread and I am under the impression it's Middle Eastern and then
> there's a Greek word for it I can't recall at the moment.
"Pita" has also other spellings and national origins. I was at the
Greek Festival, and yes they served some interestingly familar,
but then so did Indian and Pakistani people, at the fair we go to.
Might you some was a bit too much so we will not be back for more
but at least we tried it.
> Then on TV of course I've seen African bushwomen making it in
> mud beehive ovens and then there's the Hebrew unleavened bread,
> so let's call it part of a universal human culture and be done with it.
Seeing we in Canada are multicultural, there is various forms of
ovens breads, some used as scoops for direct eating, and this came
from the Arab north, because Northern Africa is Arab and well trade
has been established long ago from north to south, so hard to figure
who did what first, but it is that the Africiana bread ovens do
turn out a different bread then those in the north, and isn't that
great.
I love Hebrew unleavened bread, and I can get unauthorized as well
and it all tastes the same, but then we must look at texture and
that local tough.
Of course it is universal human culture and isn't it great, when
there is a cultural festival going on to enjoy the treats of their
lands, and as well their breads. Tonight our deeply religious
Jewish neighbours came over with a Friday night bread, to heat
and eat. Thats another plus, but then so wonderful that my
mention of Mrs. Scagilone from Florence and her Scilian husband
has led to this exchange which has me reading, as well hearing
from people who have added to my knowledge.
Yes we are a small world.
> Yeah, Marco Polo brought wonton from China and called it spaghetti
> so now there are as many Italian noodles as Chinese only Italians
> load them with tomato and cheese while Chinese stuff them with all
> sorts of goodies.
Marco Polo did bring many new things home with him.
There is no mixing salmon and carp up. We actually have a hatchery
in a place east of here, and they supply the city of Toronto. As they
say it is what you like. Some prefer carp over a trout or salmon.
I have only BBQ'ed over coals either a trout or salmon with native
friends. They also make Pemican that I have enjoyed when attending
Pow Wow.
There is more also coming in about the Pizza and Pompei. Actually
Ian better re-read his stuff, as they enjoyed a form of it, and that
is written in a Roman writting of the time.
Oh well ..before this gets too long I better end it....
73 Pete VE3WBZ
"Tagline: Brasilian Pizza can even be Ice Cream Pizza ... :( "
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