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DT: Friday, August 17th.,2012 @ 1447hrs EST <JPST>
<< Quoting G0TEZ to FOOD @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : FOOD @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 17-Aug 10:54
> Bid : C70079G0TEZ Message # : 76163
> Title : Re: VE3WBZ > Pizza, etc.
>
> Hmmm, interesting - well slightly.
>
> Where did pizza come from ?
>
> We get a lot of historical TV programmes, especially ones about
> the Romans, In places like Pompei, pictures exist showing what
> they ate and some modern people even prode themselves making
> Roman dishes with fish suace instead of salt and largely bread
> based yet not a one of them bears any resemblance to a pizza.
The wonderful historical life of Pompei, is of course a great
example of Roman life, but then at that time, of course there
is no pizza, because it wasn't known under that name. In fact
Pompei and what we know via the digs had a disaster.
If you want to look a bit deeper , one finds hints, and by the
way, the PIZZA they all chop on today, is nothing like the first
ones, which appear in print in reference to a peasant's pie,
for as my source in Florence Italy informed me, they ate this
pie, now known as Pizza, because it was leftovers, cheap to make
and no need expensive addons, they could not buy.
I would still say Arab, but ok, to get all technical and all,
please examine the world at the time, and Arabia nations, lived
and traded with both east and west, so they would come across
things they'd adopt. The whole med is like this. PIZZA
is not going to stand out and say here am I ... the origins
are many as the storys colourful, and yet we still have these
dishes that contributed, so Army's and Empires would be interested
in how simple and easy it is , or the ancestor to make.
> It is a bit like madern Italians don't speak the language of their
> Roman forefahters and the modern Greeks are even worse.
Of course not, the barbarians or so the Romans called them toppled
the Roman Empire finally, and everyone drifted off to form their
own national IDs as well struggle with language.
Why the Greeks and Italians don't speak LAtin is besides me. I guess
their Italian and Greek are close enough.
> Nonetheless, I remember Pizzas and other fast foods, reaching our
> shores in the late 50s as we started to be able to afford them.
> We just thought of them as overpriced American imports.
> The first of these was Chinese, Hong Kong type and the cheapest
> chop suey chow mein, not really Chines at all but actually Chines
> for left - overs, so I was told,
I can not remember the first Pizza I had. I think late 1950s.
Chinese food we've always enjoyed.
> So it is possible that Pizzas were really invented in the US by
> Italian immigrants after the war.
They give credit to the American style Pizza as being 1905 in New York.
I never worked for a pizza place. I agree, if the cooks were Italian
they would not want to make the lowly pizza.
Since I haven't been to France to really know it yet, I can not say,
as we enjoy fresh fish and chicken and lots of veggies these days.
When you mention the kitchens of London, as having only a microwave
I actually feel sorry for them. Really.
One of these nights, we'll go to the local town here, where the
majority are mexican and enjoy some real mexican dishes.
If I survie I will comment....if not...well ???
Never had spainish, but I suppose they are into seafood, as for
many centurys they fished the coast of North America, before it
was discovered. Great way to keep the fishing hole secret.
The skillet is really nothing new Ian. We had them in Scotland,
and Yorkshire. There was the potbelly pot for stews and for
the coal or wood powered stoves the skillet. That was always
BIG and had a lid. I had two here, but nothing like overhome.
One here was deep and smaller then the large shallow one I had.
Gave it to my niece, and I hope she is still using it.
> I might even contribute with something like Lancashire hot pot and
> Goulash (throw in a bit of paprika), followed by Black Pudding and
> Tripe - Lovely !
>
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 11:53 on 2012-Aug-17GMT+1
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> [End of Message #76163 from G0TEZ]
The dishes you mention I think they covered on that live the life
in Edwardian Days, a BBC production. I get them and Time Team
and while watching I also interact, so many questions I have are
answered with what they know...and well speculation too which is
ok with me.
I can go on and on , on the Pizza story. It does have origins
and was mentioned in the 12th century, as well development and
all....but then I'd have to sit down here and type and type and type
and it would be a KING posting ...so.... I think I will just
leave here, and the door open to the points covered for those
interested to read further.
73 Pete VE3WBZ
"Tagline: 1800s Italian Pizza named after Royalty".
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