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What? You guys are still having a deficit in the year 2000?
Rob
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:29:07 -0500
From: "J. Hoffa" <J.Hoffa@underground.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
> >With a deficit of 5 Trillion, we have to be creative in ways of
manufacturing
> >more money, to pay for the programs our representatives think we need.
>
> What? You guys are still having a deficit in the year 2000?
The two parties running for administration are pissing all over themselves
on how to spend the annual surplus. My math says you don't have any
surplus until you repay the loan.
Our deficit represents about $14,000 for every man, woman, and child
in the U.S. (plus or minus the Federal Reserve Interest Rate).
We are hoping that foreign workers will come here and pay taxes too!
Jimmy
"Death would be too easy for them"
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:32:35 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
O.C. <mortuus1952@my-deja.com> wrote:
>As i see it, if a GOVERNMENT were to subsidize the phones
>(in Europe telecommunications are mostly government-owned,
>right?) that would be a socialistic practice, but if a carrier
>subsidizes the phones, that is NOT socialism as it is
>commonly defined.
No, telecoms are no longer government-owned. We now have the same
mess as in the USA. Even worse, when mobile telephony is concerned.
To remain alive, operators have to give away phones. In fact, the
government doesn't like this practice.
Rob
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Date: 07 Oct 2000 23:08:54 GMT
From: n8blk@aol.com (Art Clemons)
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
In article <39DC7A03.2B98@worldlynx.net>, Dave Hall
<nojunkmail_n3cvj@worldlynx.net> writes:
>If you are providing a service to others which is also available through
>commercial providers, you are illegal.
Going through USCFR 47 part 97, I can't find just what you're referring to
here. Using the same logic, using an autopatch is illegal because one can use
a cell phone too.
-art clemons-
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:44:58 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
"O.C." <mortuus1952@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rno1g$gqm$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > Dave Hall <nojunkmail_n3cvj@worldlynx.net> wrote:
> >If you are providing a service to others which is also available
> >through commercial providers, you are illegal.
> >if you encrypt your data, you are illegal.
>
> So if a ham radio packet-internet gateway provides e-mail
> service to the radio-side users, it's illegal because they
> could get that service from a commercial provider? I don't
> think so. In 1997-98 i was doing just this, and was in
> communication with dozens of other hams doing it as well.
> Where are you getting the fuel for this allegation?
You really need to read Part 97.
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:47:22 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
"Art Clemons" <n8blk@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001007190854.11043.00000037@nso-mb.aol.com...
> In article <39DC7A03.2B98@worldlynx.net>, Dave Hall
> <nojunkmail_n3cvj@worldlynx.net> writes:
>
> >If you are providing a service to others which is also available through
> >commercial providers, you are illegal.
>
> Going through USCFR 47 part 97, I can't find just what you're referring to
> here. Using the same logic, using an autopatch is illegal because one can
use
> a cell phone too.
And in fact it *is* illegal for many potential uses.
Perhaps you should try reading Part 97 more carefully, the sections
about permitted transmission.
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 05:03:32 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: wireless PDA hacking
"Rob Janssen" <nomail@rob.knoware.nl> wrote in message
news:slrn8tuub0.lnv.nomail@linux.pe1chl.ampr.org...
> J. Hoffa <J.Hoffa@underground.net> wrote:
> >> In fact one can be surprised that a country like the USA, which is
supposed
> >> to be capitalist, is using this auction system.
>
> >With a deficit of 5 Trillion, we have to be creative in ways of
manufacturing
> >more money, to pay for the programs our representatives think we need.
>
> What? You guys are still having a deficit in the year 2000?
Hardly. Consider the liquidation value.
Those who quote silly numbers as above always forget the
other side of the balance sheet. He meant to say "debt" not
"deficit". A deficit means there is more debt than assets, and
that is simply not true. The US has a much larger balance
on the asset side of the balance sheet than it has on the debt
side of the balance sheet. There is no deficit, there is actually
a surplus. A very large surplus. But this discussion belongs in
a different newsgroup.
Want to buy Yellowstone? What would it bring at auction?
How about the Bonneville power system? The interstate freeways?
Another hint: where is the Social Security balance held?
Consider discounted current value of bonds.
What is meant by "... manufacturing more money ..."?
i.e. it's just another troll from a dead guy.
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... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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