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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 00 22:10:47 MET
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react I will receive $15,625,00! With an
original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING!
When your name is no longer on the list,
you just take the latest posting in the
newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names
on the list, putting your name at number 6
again. And start posting again. The thing to
remember is do you realize that thousands
of people all over the world are joining the
Internet and reading these articles
everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you
afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I
think so... People have said, "what if the plan is
played out and no one sends you the money?
So what! What are the chances of that
happening when there are tons of new honest
users and new honest people who are
joining the internet and newsgroups
everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates
are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every
day, with thousands of those joining the actual
Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and
HONESTLY and this will really work!!!
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:08:50 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Brian Kelly" <kelly@dvol.com> wrote
>
> If it's that simple why haven't you or TAPR or some other digigeek(s)
> DONE it??
TAPR hasn't done it because they tried to build their own radio
and failed (I understand Dewayne is going to try and salvage it,
but his company has never built anything before). Many others
(Spread Spectrum is really big out here in the real world) are
deploying networks every day. Almost every University now has
a wireless LAN, and long range point to point links (long range
being 12 kilometres). I have put one up myself to see what all
they hype is about. My home is wireless from the ISDN modem
on, and a 8 km point to point link is working great. This stuff is
as cheap as ethernet was in the beginning days, and I suspect that
10base networks are cost prohibitive (labor plus parts) today.
I see the use of gigabit fiber backbones, and wireless (roam-able)
LANS as the future for medium and large companies. Laptops seem
to be the norm, and not many desk computers can be found anymore
in executive offices. They want to roam. ("Oh give me a home...").
> We had exactly that 15-20 years ago. Almost the entire East Coast was
> blanketed with a readily-accesible ham vhf/uhf digital network and it
> worked like a champ.
Not true. "Worked like a champ" is completely false advertising. It was
a nightmare. The whole system died when it reached saturation.
Hams ran out of money to go to the next level, and nodes started
coming down. They won't be back. Learn to love APRS, because that
*is* packet radio today.
Wideband analog schemes are obsolete, and the FCC is giving big
hints that Hams need to adopt something more substantial. If all we
are going to do is CW, SSB, and FSK in the microwave bands, then
they have a surprise for us, and it's called an auction.
But the FCC hints with one hand, and fails to enable with the other.
There have been many proposals for rule changes to allow more
technical modulation schemes, but the FCC has blocked them at
every opportunity. Only recently have they begun to change their
tune.
I think the cheap vocoder is going to revolutionize Ham radio. We
will have reason to leave analog methods for completely digital
solutions, using modern (available) modulation methods.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:23:33 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kjni8$qj2$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> When it's done, you can
> be the first to link your RF LAN PC thru my gateway
Ah. I thought so.
You don't actually have anything at all on air.
"Blah blah blah 'could' blah blah 'might' blah blah 'should' blah blah."
Again the simple question: how would I do that linking,
assuming you did actually DO something instead of just
spewing ignorant blah blah?
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:29:22 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
news:smrcdd5ond6145@corp.supernews.com...
> "Brian Kelly" <kelly@dvol.com> wrote
> >
> > If it's that simple why haven't you or TAPR or some other digigeek(s)
> > DONE it??
>
> TAPR hasn't done it because they tried to build their own radio
> and failed (I understand Dewayne is going to try and salvage it,
> but his company has never built anything before). Many others
> (Spread Spectrum is really big out here in the real world) are
> deploying networks every day. Almost every University now has
> a wireless LAN, and long range point to point links (long range
> being 12 kilometres). I have put one up myself to see what all
> they hype is about. My home is wireless from the ISDN modem
> on, and a 8 km point to point link is working great. This stuff is
8 km?
That's all you can manage?
Omigod the stuff you espouse is EVEN WORSE than I thought!
> as cheap as ethernet was in the beginning days, and I suspect that
> 10base networks are cost prohibitive (labor plus parts) today.
Ethernet controllers cost several thousand $ each end ... in the "early days".
> I see the use of gigabit fiber backbones, and wireless (roam-able)
> LANS as the future for medium and large companies. Laptops seem
> to be the norm, and not many desk computers can be found anymore
> in executive offices. They want to roam. ("Oh give me a home...").
Fiber? This is ham radio?
> > We had exactly that 15-20 years ago. Almost the entire East Coast was
> > blanketed with a readily-accesible ham vhf/uhf digital network and it
> > worked like a champ.
>
> Not true. "Worked like a champ" is completely false advertising. It was
> a nightmare. The whole system died when it reached saturation.
> Hams ran out of money to go to the next level, and nodes started
> coming down. They won't be back. Learn to love APRS, because that
> *is* packet radio today.
Steve, why do you continually tell untruths?
You were not there, you have no clue what worked or didn't work.
Pay attention to those who WERE there and DID build and operate
such a network. On this particular topic, you are simply clueless.
<rest deleted>
I guess the above is why nobody takes you seriously.
8 km link? ONE link? Between two OF YOUR OWN systems?
That's it?
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:00:52 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <FOnb5.260$tI4.12534@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> <horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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