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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 00 22:10:53 MET
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> news:8kjni8$qj2$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > When it's done, you can
> > be the first to link your RF LAN PC thru my gateway
>
> Ah. I thought so.
> You don't actually have anything at all on air.
> "Blah blah blah 'could' blah blah 'might' blah blah 'should' blah
blah."
>
> Again the simple question: how would I do that linking,
> assuming you did actually DO something instead of just
> spewing ignorant blah blah?
Maybe I DON'T want you to be the first to link to it. It seems like
you have some underlying pecuniary interest.
But, hey, give me a few weeks. Remember - it is amateur radio - I've
got a job, and I've got to feed the wife, kids, dog, and guinea pig
too. We(at least I) never make a dime off of it - I think that is what
makes this stuff legal in the end.
> --
>
> ... Hank
>
> http://horedson.home.att.net
>
>
Stewart - N0MHS
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:03:42 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <6Unb5.287$tI4.11948@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> > Not true. "Worked like a champ" is completely false advertising.
It was
> > a nightmare. The whole system died when it reached saturation.
> > Hams ran out of money to go to the next level, and nodes started
> > coming down. They won't be back. Learn to love APRS, because that
> > *is* packet radio today.
>
> Steve, why do you continually tell untruths?
> You were not there, you have no clue what worked or didn't work.
> Pay attention to those who WERE there and DID build and operate
> such a network. On this particular topic, you are simply clueless.
But he isn't wrong, and I WAS there. What KILLED growth was the
inability of hams to move past the 1200bps standard that worked so well
in the 80's. 1200bps became a ball-and-chain in the 90's. Cheap-ass
hams wouldn't pay top-dollar for plug-and-play solutions, and appliance
operater hams couldn't get cheap 9600bps setups working, and when the
14.4Kbps landline modem arrived - it was all over. We had some luck
out here in Southern California with setting up a 9600bps network, but
28.8/56Kbps landline modems drove a stake in the heart of amateur low
to medium speed(<56Kbps) RF digital communications. This may be a good
thing in the end. All that 1200bps equipment is now obsolete(except
for APRS), and no medium speed standard came to take its place - so we
don't have the "ball-and-chain" effect anymore. We can start off fresh
with a new standard. What is becoming the de-facto standard is
modified part 15 devices on 13cm(forget TAPR's defunct 33cm idea -
PLEASE!). The other MAJOR benefit is that we can now use the always-
connected, high-speed DSL and cable modem hookups to the Internet to
build high-speed gateways.
The top of the bottle is loose - the genie is just about to get out!
> <rest deleted>
>
> I guess the above is why nobody takes you seriously.
> 8 km link? ONE link? Between two OF YOUR OWN systems?
> That's it?
At least he isn't limited to 1200bps!!!!
All it will take is a small critical mass of hams to get things
started, and then we will have a snowball effect like you haven't ever
seen before.
There is STILL time to get in on the ground floor. Don't be such a
naysayer, and start working with us.
> ... Hank
Stewart - N0MHS
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:42:09 GMT
From: James Horn <jimhorn@svn.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc horseshoestew@my-deja.com wrote:
> too easy for some of you guys - you just HAVE to do things the hard
> way, or just don't like change. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
> N0MHS - Stewart
Hi, Stewart!
I understand your cheering alternative and more innovative forms of
amateur radio. But saying the HF enthusiasts' interests are stupid?
Any commercial fisherman knows the advantages of a deep water boat, huge
nets, radar, and so on. Yet many folks still enjoy standing in cold water
with little but a rod, reel, and hand-tied lure to (maybe) catch a trout.
Are they stupid?
Of course not - there's fun in the challenge, the silence, and the contest
between one individual and an unseen fish. Some feel the same way about
eaking a distant little signal out of the noise from another ham station
who-knows-where.
'Tis a big tent, this hobby is. There are too many others who covet the
whole tent (little LEOs, various government/military/broadcast/etc.
interests, and on and on). Let's *cheer on* ALL of the members of this
delightful persuit!
Jim Horn, WB9SYN/6 (on the 'net since '82)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:22:10 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Hank Oredson" wrote
>
> "Steve Sampson" wrote
> >
> > I have put one up myself to see what all
> > the hype is about. My home is wireless from the ISDN modem
> > on, and a 8 km point to point link is working great. This stuff is
>
> 8 km?
> That's all you can manage?
> Omigod the stuff you espouse is EVEN WORSE than I thought!
I should point out that I could go farther, but that I don't know anyone
who is willing to link. I think the maximum range at my antenna altitude
is 12 km.
1.6 Mbps at 500 mW. What do you have that makes this "WORSE?"
Are you doing higher bandwidth at longer range for less money? Show
me the references, I am not worthy...
> Fiber? This is ham radio?
Yep. Do you use wire between your radio and computer? fiber?
Do you use commercial power?
> I guess the above is why nobody takes you seriously.
> 8 km link? ONE link? Between two OF YOUR OWN systems?
> That's it?
Nope. One system is mine, the other is a friend. You assume too
much Grandpa.
have fun,
Steve/k5okc
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:00:16 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<horseshoestew@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8klar2$2bk$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <6Unb5.287$tI4.11948@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
I certainly did NOT write this:
> > > Not true. "Worked like a champ" is completely false advertising.
> It was
> > > a nightmare. The whole system died when it reached saturation.
> > > Hams ran out of money to go to the next level, and nodes started
> > > coming down. They won't be back. Learn to love APRS, because that
> > > *is* packet radio today.
I did write this:
> > Steve, why do you continually tell untruths?
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