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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 00 23:50:59 MET
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>the internet without tens of thousands of other people showing up to work,
>keeping the multi billion dollar network humming. The internet communicator
>hits the carriage return key which in turn grovels to the Internet Service
>Provider for permission to have the puny little packet transported over the
>behemoth. The sender of the information can take about as much pride in
>completing the communication as he can in forcing the sun to rise in the
>east each morning.
>
>Point to point radio communication on the other hand is more an expression
>of rugged individualism. The radio operator is in control of the
>communication process and only needs the cooperation of the receiving party
>to complete the transaction. Entire societies can rise and crumble without
>impacting two individuals communicating via radio.
>
>Which of these two would give you something to feel pride in?
>
Right on the money, well said Jeff! This whole NG is a brawl between
disparate cultures. Those of us who do radio because it's radio also
do the dialup/ISDN/DSL or whatever side of personal and hobby
communications, we know what's up on both sides of the coin. But we
might as well be talking to our pet rocks when we try to explain to
the digigeeks that, for one instance, neighborhood VHF/UHF Internet
portals ain't radio in the first place plus we could care less because
we already have Internet access.
>
w3rv
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:18:07 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Johnny Rico" <lawdog2@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:396bf120_2@news1.prserv.net...
>
>
> "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
> news:6lOa5.5024$qX6.421301@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > But these things have nothing to do with the topic at hand, except
> > in a minor way several steps removed. Nobody I know ever built
> > a radio station "from scratch". At a minimum they counted on
> > someone else to mine the copper ore, smelt it, and draw the wire.
> >
>
> Al Gore did. And he invented the Internet.
>
> --
>
>
> Roger J. Buffington
> W6VZV; w6vzv@arrl.net
Oh, darn, I forgot all about Al's contributions!
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:12:32 -0700
From: "Johnny Rico" <lawdog2@ibm.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:6lOa5.5024$qX6.421301@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> But these things have nothing to do with the topic at hand, except
> in a minor way several steps removed. Nobody I know ever built
> a radio station "from scratch". At a minimum they counted on
> someone else to mine the copper ore, smelt it, and draw the wire.
>
Al Gore did. And he invented the Internet.
--
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W6VZV; w6vzv@arrl.net
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:17:22 -0700
From: Aaron.Jones@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net> wrote:
>Yes, Aaron, but we hams have OTHER bands and modulation techniques
>available to us, don't we . . .
You missed the point entirely George.
Point: Using ham radio is no purer than using the Internet since both
rely on someone else's technology...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:47:58 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<Aaron Jones> wrote in message
news:jlvnmsso9p5uq5sj3u30f3u9fcank2qv5l@4ax.com...
> "George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net> wrote:
> >Yes, Aaron, but we hams have OTHER bands and modulation techniques
> >available to us, don't we . . .
>
> You missed the point entirely George.
>
> Point: Using ham radio is no purer than using the Internet since both
> rely on someone else's technology...
In what way does the internet involve ham radio?
(Please see the name of this newsgroup ...)
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:32:21 -0700
From: Aaron.Jones@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>In what way does the internet involve ham radio?
Stick "ham radio" in any search engine and find out...
>(Please see the name of this newsgroup ...)
Which one? You're posting to two...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:27:51 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <dpjnmsgogaibqb52l9s6pt8ff6slko5bid@4ax.com>,
Brian Kelly <kelly@dvol.com> wrote:
> Right on the money, well said Jeff! This whole NG is a brawl between
> disparate cultures. Those of us who do radio because it's radio also
> do the dialup/ISDN/DSL or whatever side of personal and hobby
> communications, we know what's up on both sides of the coin. But we
> might as well be talking to our pet rocks when we try to explain to
> the digigeeks that, for one instance, neighborhood VHF/UHF Internet
> portals ain't radio in the first place plus we could care less because
> we already have Internet access.
If there is a "ham radio" involved in the equation - then it IS ham
radio. When you talk thru the local repeater's phone patch - is THAT
not ham radio? Of course it is, and so is using radios to "patch" thru
the Internet to other radio gateways - the transmission medium is just
a little different, that's all. I guess it is just too reliable, and
too easy for some of you guys - you just HAVE to do things the hard
way, or just don't like change. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
> w3rv
N0MHS - Stewart
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:46 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <6lOa5.5024$qX6.421301@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net> wrote:
> The general public can in fact use the telephone and the internet.
> So doing those things is not "doing ham radio."
If there is a "ham radio" involved in the equation - then it IS ham
radio. When you talk thru the local repeater's phone patch - is THAT
not ham radio? Of course it is, and so is using radios to "patch" thru
the Internet to other radio gateways - the transmission medium is just
a little different, that's all. I guess it is just too reliable, and
too easy for some of you guys - you just HAVE to do things the hard
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_187D
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