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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 00 23:50:56 MET
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From: pa2aga@pe1mvx.ampr.org
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> fading and noise. We are at the "mercy" of the sun and the
> ionosphere--and glad of it!
>
> de WIll KD7BFX
>
> horseshoe7 wrote:
>
> >
> > It doesn't seem to bother you that the sounds of your voice go
> > thru the radio using electrical signals. Why should it bother
> > me how the signals from my 2m RADIO gateway link get to the
> > other guy... using ham radio? You just have to look at the
> > Internet as one big radio.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:04:37 GMT
From: marsgal42@hotmail.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <396B8F12.3F846201@email.mot.com>,
Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
> (snip...)
> Point to point radio communication on the other hand is more
> an expression of rugged individualism. The radio operator is
> in control of the communication process and only needs the
> cooperation of the receiving party to complete the transaction.
> Entire societies can rise and crumble without impacting two
> individuals communicating via radio.
>
> Which of these two would give you something to feel pride in?
Once the radio is made (or bought), sure. But creating the radios
in the first place is as dependent on the efforts of others
(e.g. semiconductor manufacturers) as communication over the
Internet. So is supplying the power to make them run.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:46:10 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
<marsgal42@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8kg95r$cp2$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <396B8F12.3F846201@email.mot.com>,
> Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
> > (snip...)
> > Point to point radio communication on the other hand is more
> > an expression of rugged individualism. The radio operator is
> > in control of the communication process and only needs the
> > cooperation of the receiving party to complete the transaction.
> > Entire societies can rise and crumble without impacting two
> > individuals communicating via radio.
> >
> > Which of these two would give you something to feel pride in?
>
> Once the radio is made (or bought), sure. But creating the radios
> in the first place is as dependent on the efforts of others
> (e.g. semiconductor manufacturers) as communication over the
> Internet. So is supplying the power to make them run.
>
> Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
> Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
Not to mention smelting the copper to make the telephone wires,
melting and spinning the glass to make the fiber backbone, mining
bauxite for the aluminium for your antenna, etc.
But these things have nothing to do with the topic at hand, except
in a minor way several steps removed. Nobody I know ever built
a radio station "from scratch". At a minimum they counted on
someone else to mine the copper ore, smelt it, and draw the wire.
What radio amateurs do that the general public cannot do
is combine various things in such a way they can be used to
communicate with other radio amateurs. Those things are not just
radios, antennas and other physical objects; they are also the
protocols, standards and experience needed to make communications
channels do useful work.
The general public can in fact use the telephone and the internet.
So doing those things is not "doing ham radio."
But this is all too complex and esoteric for some hams, who seem
to think that talking over the internet is "ham radio"!
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
>.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:03:31 -0700
From: Aaron.Jones@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
>The internet communicator
>hits the carriage return key which in turn grovels to the Internet Service
>Provider for permission to have the puny little packet transported over the
>behemoth.
Rewrite: The ham operator hits the code key which in turn grovels to
millions of dollars of research and manufacturing development put into
his Japanese high dollar super gizmo transceiver just to have his puny
little CW signal fade away to nothing....the band was closed...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:52:29 GMT
From: "George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Yes, Aaron, but we hams have OTHER bands and modulation techniques
available to us, don't we . . .
72/73, George
Fairview, TX 30 mi NE Dallas in Collin county QRP-L 1373
Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 54th year and it just keeps getting better!
R/C since 1964 - AMA 98452 RVing since 1972 Kachina #91900556
(12/99)
Aaron, Jones wrote:
>
> Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
> >The internet communicator
> >hits the carriage return key which in turn grovels to the Internet Service
> >Provider for permission to have the puny little packet transported over the
> >behemoth.
>
> Rewrite: The ham operator hits the code key which in turn grovels to
> millions of dollars of research and manufacturing development put into
> his Japanese high dollar super gizmo transceiver just to have his puny
> little CW signal fade away to nothing....the band was closed...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:53:10 GMT
From: "George , W5YR" <w5yr@att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Yes, Aaron, but we hams have OTHER bands and modulation techniques
available to us, don't we . . .
72/73, George
Fairview, TX 30 mi NE Dallas in Collin county QRP-L 1373
Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 54th year and it just keeps getting better!
R/C since 1964 - AMA 98452 RVing since 1972 Kachina #91900556
(12/99)
Aaron, Jones wrote:
>
> Jeff Goodspeed <cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
> >The internet communicator
> >hits the carriage return key which in turn grovels to the Internet Service
> >Provider for permission to have the puny little packet transported over the
> >behemoth.
>
> Rewrite: The ham operator hits the code key which in turn grovels to
> millions of dollars of research and manufacturing development put into
> his Japanese high dollar super gizmo transceiver just to have his puny
> little CW signal fade away to nothing....the band was closed...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:20:08 GMT
From: Brian Kelly <kelly@dvol.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:18:10 -0500, Jeff Goodspeed
<cmsx42@email.mot.com> wrote:
>
>
>I also see a cultural element in this topic. Communication via the internet
>implies a total dependence on society with the subjugation of the
>individual in the act. No one can communicate from point A to point B via
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_187C
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