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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:28:07 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
> But why then is it the LOWEST license class - when it actually offers
> all of privileges that anyone interested in modern communications
> techniques would need?
Knowledge-wise, it requires the least electronic and operations skills.
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Date: 23 Jun 2000 02:16:01 GMT
From: johnl84238@aol.com (JOHNL84238)
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Any button pushing idiot can download and read the 100K wpm stuff....how many
of you guys can copy 25-30 wpm...it is a skill....maybe antiquated, but it is
still a
FUN way to communicate...nobody is making you do it....leave us guys that like
CW alone to enjoy it.
23, John
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:18:42 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Stewart:
[snip]
> You don't get it, do you? All you have to do is connect to the dude
> with a DSL gateway down the street, and you can talk "all over the
> world" - even on 2 meters.
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
[snip]
I beg to differ.. You don't get it!
Three things...
First:
There are less than 200,000 DSL lines installed in this country as of 6/2000
[not counting HDSL a.k.a. T1]. And... there are a grand total of
160,000,000 access lines in existence. A current penetration of 1/4% of all
lines! At the current growth rate, when will they get to me, you, Bob, Ted,
Alice, etc...
Second:
Approximately 30% of those access lines are served from Digital Loop Carrier
systems which are currently incapable of carrying significant penetrations
of DSL when they do at all! Approximately 30% of the remaining lines cannot
support DSL because of load coils and bridged taps on the loops.
Most of those DSL lines run at speeds of only around 384 kbps or less!
Bummer!
Third:
The large majority of the current DSL lines are running at speeds of 384
kbps or less!
And so...
Where is the wireline broadband access for the rest of us?
Now if we hams really made use of the broadband spectrup allocated to us to
do amateur radio wireless broadband local loop access to the Internet, why
then we could eliminate the World Wide Wait, at least for hams...
Now ... you just don't get it. What are you doing about it? Reading
threads on HF & CW.... fool!
Get out your design manuals, soldering iron, compilers, and get cracking....
At the current rate and with the problems out there DSL won't be at most of
our places for at least the next decade. By then we can have taken over the
world with free amateur radio broadband access.
DO SOMETHING, don't just sit there typing criticisms into this dang NG
thread!
Peter K1PO
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:45:32 GMT
From: horseshoestew@my-deja.com
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
In article <sl5fb7cue7f18@corp.supernews.com>,
"Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote:
> > But why then is it the LOWEST license class - when it actually
offers
> > all of privileges that anyone interested in modern communications
> > techniques would need?
>
> Knowledge-wise, it requires the least electronic and operations
skills.
Of course, but my point is that there is no incentive to upgrade
anymore, and that the structure still puts too much emphasis on HF/CW
vs. UHF/digital.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:20:04 -0400
From: "Bob Lewis" <aa4pb@erols.com>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
> All you have to do is connect to the dude
> with a DSL gateway down the street, and you can talk "all over the
> world" - even on 2 meters.
>
> Stewart - N0MHS
> --
Lets see now - you're using several thousands of miles of phone line
and 2 blocks of 2 meter link. You're not using 2 meters to talk all
over the world, you're using phone lines. People have been talking
"all over the world" with phone lines for a long time now. Believe me,
it's nothing new. The only thing new is that it costs less now and you
type on a keyboard to send your message across the phone lines. Next
someone got the bright idea to hook a microphone up to the computer so
he could actually "talk" over the phone lines. Gee, didn't some guy
named Bell do that a number of years ago? And what happens when the
dude's gateway crashes or his power or DSL line goes out? You can't
talk anywhere - unless of course you happen to have an HF rig standing
by.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:58:33 GMT
From: Clay N4AOX <wyn@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
Bob Lewis wrote:
>
> Actually, a reliable 1200 baud packet network would probably be
> sufficient for most emergency communications. One of the downfalls of
> the packet network was that it was completely overloaded with a
> multitude of unnecessary, uncoordinated BBSs that sent the same
> messages to each other over and over. I used to send traffic between
> the east coast and Michigan. The latency was several hours to several
> weeks and about 50% never got through at all. If you want to build a
> reliable wide area network at any speed, the first thing you need is
> coordination. I'm not sure you can do that very well in a volunteer
> organization where everyone wants to "do his own thing".
Well said!
The US ARS could redeem itself in the eyes of the public by establishing
a robust, disaster proof, transcontinental message handling service.
And, this could be done with modest investment by Joe Ham, using 70cM, 1
1/4, 2, 6, and 10M currently allocated frequencies and could be done
without draconian measures bulldozing existing modes off the bands. The
US ARS will never redeem itself by whipping Joe Ham into a self-serving
frenzy, chasing after the latest fad modes, greater throughput, and a
cheap dodge to a commercial common carrier wide-band system.
Unfortunately, the "Newington" ARRL leadership seems unable to manifest
the kind of vision that was inherent in it's past namesake.
73,
Clay N4AOX
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:56 -0500
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Forget HF & CW - Think Digital
"Clay N4AOX" <wyn@worldnet.att.net> wrote > Bob Lewis wrote:
> The US ARS could redeem itself in the eyes of the public by establishing
> a robust, disaster proof, transcontinental message handling service.
Redeem? The public mostly doesn't know radio exists. Rather than
using technology to secure their radio-phones, they created a law against
listening instead. Sorry, you can't redeem anything where all the stores
are closed.
> And, this could be done with modest investment by Joe Ham, using 70cM, 1
> 1/4, 2, 6, and 10M currently allocated frequencies and could be done
> without draconian measures bulldozing existing modes off the bands.
To be continued in digest: hd_2000_173J
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