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morse code.
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73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:33:52 GMT
From: kelly@dvol.com (Brian Kelly)
Subject: May QEX digital voice article
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:55:16 -0600, Brian <burke1@icss.net> wrote:
>Brian Kelly wrote:
>
>Oh but you do. You said: "When I see some of these upcoming 5wpm
>digigeek Generals beep anybody I'll have more respect for what they
>actually know about HF ham radio."
>
>Exactly what did you mean by "seeing some of them beep?"
>
Translation: When I see them demonstrate any working knowledge of the
other modes or respect for the users for the other modes and why wide
HF modes will unduly reduce the bandwidth available to the other users
I'll have more respect for what they actually know about HF ham radio.
Which is obviously not to say that I'll only respect them unless they
beep.
>
rv
>.
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:52:43 GMT
From: "Mark VandeWettering" <raytracer@yahoo.com>
Subject: May QEX digital voice article
"Brian Kelly" <kelly@dvol.com> wrote in message
news:38d399a2.56229079@news.dvol.com...
> Translation: When I see them demonstrate any working knowledge of the
> other modes or respect for the users for the other modes and why wide
> HF modes will unduly reduce the bandwidth available to the other users
> I'll have more respect for what they actually know about HF ham radio.
> Which is obviously not to say that I'll only respect them unless they
> beep.
When I see you demonstrate any working knowledge of digital modes or respect
for users of such modes, and why experimentation on HF can add to the
available communication capacity of HF, I'll have more respect for what you
know about HF ham radio. Which is obviously not to say that I'll only
respect you if you stop using Morse as your personal favorite mode.
73, Mark KF6KYI
> >
> rv
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Date: 18 Mar 2000 20:13:42 GMT
From: z005381b@bc.seflin.org (James Rosenthal)
Subject: May QEX digital voice article
Charles Brabham (n5pvl@texoma.net) wrote:
: Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote in message
: > "Jeffrey Herman" wrote
: >
: > > "Seething"? Honestly, it won't affect me in the slightest, for I'll
: > > continue to answer any CW station's CQ, regardless of license class.
: > > *Any* ham who uses CW immediately gets my sincere respect and
: > > admiration. I mean that.
: >
: > Why is it, that every CW fanatic descends on this group whenever a
: > modern form of communication is experimented with?
Because they are afraid that it will take up some of the spectrum that
they now (sort of) use.
: Why is it, that every geek who advocates what he considers to be a "modern
: form of communication" feels obligated to make disparaging remarks about CW
: operators? Will the CW sigs somehow keep the newer stuff from working?
Maybe it's because there is a group of CW users that feel obligated to
call CQ on top of the other signals (but only -after- the other signals
start using the frequency. (But PSK works right through them ;-)
: What's the excuse for the unreasoning hostlity? Hmmmm?
Perhaps people using CW to trying to [jamb] the other modes? :o
: CW ops do not "descend on this group", but they will defend themselves when
: someone goes out of their way to run them down. Unreasonable of those mean
: old CW ops to defend themselves, isn't it Steve?
One wonders -what- it is they are defending on 28.120 Mhz +/- 300 Hz.
: > The fact is, that after April 15th, CW is effectively dead as a political
: > tool. Get over it.
"Political"?? ;-))))))
: Fact is, CW never was big as a "political tool".
I agree.
; If this is your take on
: what hams do with CW, no wonder you are so clueless and hostile about the
: mode.
Now - now, maybe "politically clueless".
: --
: 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL, N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
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Jim Rosenthal, WA4STJ
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:31 GMT
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: NOS (and derivatives) don't send FRMRs ?
"Rob Janssen" <nomail@rob.knoware.nl> wrote in message
news:slrn8dmfql.qfa.nomail@linux.pe1chl.ampr.org...
> Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> Then you can use plain AX.25 on the last hop. So your node network
> >> internally uses NET/ROM and routes IP over it if it cannot be avoided,
and
> >> the end user stations use plain AX.25 UI or VC links to the nearest node.
>
> >Not a problem for us, since there are no "end user stations".
> >All stations are equal in terms of their networking capability.
>
> Of course, you should not read "end user stations" in terms of their
> networking capability, but in terms of their position in the network.
>
> When they are turned off and on at will, they are end user stations.
> When they are on 24hrs/day and available for everyone else to route
> packets through, they are network nodes.
All our stations are network nodes in that definition. Since some are located
in very remote areas (and may provide the only connectivity to others
located in other very remote areas) it is important to us that whatever
protocol is used can adapt fairly quickly when paths come and go.
To explain a bit more: the philosophy is to provide SOME sort of
initial connectivity into remote areas whenever any ham who lives there
wants to play with networking. Often this might require something like
a 200 km. fairly poor link to get things started. Those links might work
only part of the time, but for the hams involved they are the ONLY
possible links initially. Once activity has grown and intermediate sites
can be supported the connectivity can be improved. Until that happens,
the network needs to be able to support connectivity that comes and
goes over periods of hours, or sometimes even days. The issues are
very low population density and very difficult terrain. See a map of
eastern Oregon and Washington for one example, and the coastal
area of Oregon, Washington and California for another.
> A network node can be used as an end user station at the same time.
Exactly.
The majority of our nodes are like this.
> >> The Flexnet people have understood this as well and have removed all
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