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can't sustain itself over time. Once the Ham club loses interest,
you lose the tower space, and it is all down-hill from there.
Hams in the US, are just like other Americans, in that they have a
herd mentality. They will kill and maim for a cabbage-patch doll,
or tickle-me Elmo doll, and they will herd up to try out a new mode,
but once the "been there, done that" takes effect, it's all over.
The thing to do, is find what will cause the herd to stampede, but
then if we knew that, we'd all be wealthy and wise...
Steve
Rob Janssen wrote
> Mike Blankenship wrote:
> >Routing in a TCP/IP environment need not be all that complex, as you
> >have alluded to in you message.
>
> In case you didn't notice: the fact that most nodes don't route TCP/IP is
> politically motivated, not technically.
>.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:30:55 GMT
From: Don <dnelsch@neo.rr.com>
Subject: What is a good TNC?
Agreed! Been there, done that, and now bored. Once the "network" been set
up,
and seasoned through the test of time with only a slow, declining usage
"email"
bbs system or three utilizing the network function, the excitement and
challenge is gone. Any more the only advantage of packet radio over voice
radio is that you can easily turn off (not read) the idiot messages on packet.
"CQ DX - answer my calls you MF SOB! " Who needs it? APRS is about the only
useful mobile data application (base station watching the map is like watching
paint dry). DX Cluster is like shooting fish in a barrel. You're right -
packet radio is now a solution seeking a need. Networking is a cooperative
venture in a individualistic hobby - seldom works well. What's the old saying
- too many chiefs and not enough indians!
Bah humbug!
Steve Sampson wrote:
> It's not political, or technical.
>
> What would you do with a routed IP network over radio if it
> was given to you on a silver platter?
>
> Probably post for-sale, and out-of-band mods...
>
> I've yet to see a serious application proposed for TCP/IP, ROSE,
> or UI frames for that matter; except, maybe APRS beacons.
>
> There has to be more reason than: "it's fun" or else the network
> can't sustain itself over time. Once the Ham club loses interest,
> you lose the tower space, and it is all down-hill from there.
>
> Hams in the US, are just like other Americans, in that they have a
> herd mentality. They will kill and maim for a cabbage-patch doll,
> or tickle-me Elmo doll, and they will herd up to try out a new mode,
> but once the "been there, done that" takes effect, it's all over.
>
> The thing to do, is find what will cause the herd to stampede, but
> then if we knew that, we'd all be wealthy and wise...
>
> Steve
>
> Rob Janssen wrote
> > Mike Blankenship wrote:
> > >Routing in a TCP/IP environment need not be all that complex, as you
> > >have alluded to in you message.
> >
> > In case you didn't notice: the fact that most nodes don't route TCP/IP is
> > politically motivated, not technically.
>.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:35:56 -0800
From: Mike Blankenship <mikeb@rectec.net>
Subject: What is a good TNC?
Don wrote:
> You're right -
> packet radio is now a solution seeking a need. Networking is a cooperative
> venture in a individualistic hobby - seldom works well.
So what are going to do? Stick a fork in it and call it done? Or should
we try something new? A long time ago, the simple idea of sending a
message from one's own radio to another would have been fantasy...
>.
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:33:36 GMT
From: nomail@rob.knoware.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: What is a good TNC?
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote:
>I've yet to see a serious application proposed for TCP/IP, ROSE,
>or UI frames for that matter; except, maybe APRS beacons.
The TCP/IP nodes here (at least those that run my software, and probably
the Linux ones as well) support IP Multicasting and would be a very usable
medium for APRS. They would allow different frequencies in different
areas (reducing collisions and channel load), and have done for years what
the APRS folks now have re-invented as the "intelligent digipeater"...
Other protocols that have been used over here (in the days activity was
a bit higher): IRC (the original protocol), Converse (the amateur-radio
re-invented one), NNTP (news bulletins gatewayed from the BBS system,
readable via a standard newsreader), HTTP, and of course the standard
protocols. We have even tried X :-)
Rob
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 05:51:17 -0600
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: What is a good TNC?
An even longer time ago, people thought sending code with a key
was a fantasy.
But that's part of the problem. People send messages from one
radio to another quite easily. Police cars have data, you can now
subscribe to internet via cell-phone data channels, etc. You're
not on a leading edge with packet radio.
Your question "should we try something new" is answered quite
simply: "Yes." For sure, but we don't know what that something
new is yet. The area I am playing with is Spread Spectrum high
speed links (1.6 Mbps), and a digital voice repeater (9600 baud)
that uses the new vocoder chips. I am setting up an Omni 2.4 GHz
antenna at 100 feet, and I will be interested to see how much
different the SS actual receive pattern is from the predicted FM one.
Mike Blankenship wrote
> Don wrote:
> > You're right -
> > packet radio is now a solution seeking a need. Networking is a
cooperative
> > venture in a individualistic hobby - seldom works well.
>
> So what are going to do? Stick a fork in it and call it done? Or should
> we try something new? A long time ago, the simple idea of sending a
> message from one's own radio to another would have been fantasy...
>.
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