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>give away all your secrets so that others can duplicate
>10 years of work in 10 minutes?
The real principal question is, do we want more and more proprietary
or encrypted traffic on the amateur bands ?
While I know that the protocol specification has been shown to the FCC
and by doing that avoiding the classification of those protocols as
encrypted in the USA, but the situation may be different in other
countries.
I think that at least so much of the protocol should be publicly known
that it would be possible to monitor the traffic at least in good
conditions (e.g. not using all memory-ARQ, FEC etc. enhancements).
Paul OH3LWR
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Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:47:19 -0800
From: Richard McAllister <rfm@eng.sun.com>
Subject: Where docs for pactor, amtor, clover, etc...
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> writes:
>
> Why not just buy the modem, use it, and let the company
> succeed?
>
> Why does everything have to be free? Would you work for
> free? Build products for millions in investment, and then
> give away all your secrets so that others can duplicate
> 10 years of work in 10 minutes?
>
> Some Hams are are just plain communists at heart. Ham radio
> isn't a commune, it's a hobby. People are allowed to
> make a dollar.
>
> Why not let the company get a return on investment? In
> 17 years, you can then build cheap knock-offs of 20 year
> old technology.
Well, some people want to learn how things work. That's certainly one of
the purposes of amateur radio. And, in fact, it's one of the purposes of
the patent system. It gives the inventor a legal monopoly on commercial
exploitation in return for publishing the details so others can learn from
them and improve on them.
--
Rich McAllister <rfm@eng.sun.com>
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:17:24 -0500
From: Ralph Mowery <rmowery@dialpoint.net>
Subject: Where docs for pactor, amtor, clover, etc...
It seems to me that they would want the 'codes' to be known. The more
people using it the more the users would likely buy instead of building
it. Look at what hapened to some of the early computers. The ones that
let people make programs and hardwear prospered and the ones that didn't
went out of business. I have tried several digital modes on the low
bands because I could just hook up the sound card to the rig one time
and be done with it. I would not have even tried the modes if I had to
buy a 'modem' for each mode.
While some of the modes may not be as good using a sound card as the
modem it does let me try them and if i really like the mode I might buy
the proper modem for it. Haven't tried rtty for years but as the rig
was set up for psk31 and I found a program for rtty I gave it a try.
The program would not hold a candle to the way the old modle 19 and ST-6
worked, it did give me a way to play to see if I was still interisted in
it or a way to give some contacts to the ones that do have a 'store
bought' system.
Steve Sampson wrote:
>
> Why not just buy the modem, use it, and let the company
> succeed?
>
> Why does everything have to be free? Would you work for
> free? Build products for millions in investment, and then
> give away all your secrets so that others can duplicate
> 10 years of work in 10 minutes?
>
>.
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:13:33 -0600
From: W6RCecilA <Cecil.A.Moore@IEEE.org>
Subject: Where docs for pactor, amtor, clover, etc...
Steve Sampson wrote:
> Rolling your own, would be rolling your own protocol.
But Steve, then I wouldn't have anyone to talk to. I'm not
making my work available to anyone else for free or monitary
gains. I'm doing it for me. Would you suggest I choose a
different voice protocol than SSB for my homebrew stuff?
I'm pretty sure it is not illegal to duplicate a patented
function for my personal use as long as it doesn't hurt the
patent holder and I don't make a penny off of it.
--
73, Cecil, W6RCA http://www.mindspring.com/~w6rca
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:24:14 -0600
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@usa-site.net>
Subject: Where docs for pactor, amtor, clover, etc...
W6RCecilA wrote
>Steve Sampson wrote:
>> Why not just buy the modem, use it, and let the company
>> succeed?
>>
>> Why does everything have to be free? Would you work for
>> free? Build products for millions in investment, and then
>> give away all your secrets so that others can duplicate
>> 10 years of work in 10 minutes?
>
>Can't argue with what you say, Steve, but some of us would
>rather roll our own for our personal use and learn something
>in the process. Time was when most hams rolled their own.
Copying firmware and reverse engineering is not the same as
rolling your own.
Rolling your own, would be rolling your own protocol. Wouldn't
that be more effective use of your time? Reverse engineering
a Pactor and calling it Pactor is about the same as reverse
engineering Channel #5 and calling it Channel #5.
>.
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Date: 16 Nov 1999 00:30:06 GMT
From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@rising.com.au>
Subject: Where docs for pactor, amtor, clover, etc...
Steve Sampson <ssampson@usa-site.net> wrote:
> Why not just buy the modem, use it, and let the company
> succeed?
Then why would anyone homebrew anything when you can just buy a rig?
Sheesh yourself.
> Some Hams are are just plain communists at heart. Ham radio
> isn't a commune, it's a hobby. People are allowed to
> make a dollar.
If people are only interested in ham radio for the money, that's
a pretty sorry state of affairs.
Hamish
--
Hamish Moffatt Mobile: +61 412 011 176 hamish@rising.com.au
Rising Software Australia Pty. Ltd. http://www.risingsoftware.com/
Phone: +61 3 9894 4788 Fax: +61 3 9894 3362 USA: 1 888 667 7839
>.
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