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growing and
> developing.
>
> In other words, you and Gary are on the "side" that has nothing to
show for
> itself except decline and decay brought on by ignorance, isolation and
> self-centered greed, no matter what the expense to others.
>
> Where your kind of "thinking" has taken hold, the packet net has
declined
> and packet users have left the hobby in droves. Where your type of
thinking
> is not tolerated, the packet net there has grown and developed, and
> thousands of enthusiastic Hams enjoy the network every day.
>
> Gary can be congratulated for building a slightly more elaborate
isolation
> from the world than most LandLine Lids manage, but in the long run he
is
> still divorced from the rest of the Amateur Radio community by the
> limitations of his thinking.
>
> The one and only place in the US where hams are now excited again
about a
> growing, developing packet net is where your kind of thinking has been
> rejected and not allowed within the network. (They have tcpip of
course, but
> not the "LandLine Lid" variety you boys espouse). These are REAL HAMS
using
> amateur tcpip in a way that is beneficial to the hobby instead of a
> liability.
>
> The next step is to outlaw "Amateur Telephone" in fact, with
protective
> national legislation such as the European Hams enjoy.
>
> Sorry, but Hams are becoming more sophisticated and harder to fool.
They
> will look at what happens where LandLine Lids are tolerated, see the
> progress where they are not, and make the obvious choice.
>
> That leaves you out.
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Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:32:40 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Gary Coffman <ke4zv@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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<lotsa deletia>
> No, you didn't catch me you stupid son of a bitch.
Well, THAT one obviously did ... <smile>.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:31:09 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
<steve_sampson@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7sjn41$kru$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> This is the "limit" theory as opposed to the "technology" theory.
> Even the Central States VHF club proposes a "limit" rather than
> "technology." Technology will build membership and save our spectrum.
> Those who want to limit Ham radio, will destroy the hobby.
You plan to save our spectrum by abandoning the use of radios?
Run that past again, a bit slower, with some detail of how
you plan to save our spectrum by not using it.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:39:20 -0700
From: "Hank Oredson" <horedson@att.net>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Peter O. Brackett <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7sj3l8$i9e@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com...
> Charles, Hank:
> My point is that it is my perception that Charles and Hank exhibit a
certain
> distasteful elitist attitude towards those of us who are willing to
> participate and use the technology, but sit on the side and do little or
> nothing about building, designing, deploying and experimenting ...
You confuse me with someone else.
The only hams I complain about are those who DO "experiment"
and "build" in a way to PREVENT other hams from using their radios.
These are the Land Line Lids.
Anyone wants to use the internet, good for them. Just don't FORCE
my ham radio traffic to use the internet, don't BYPASS radio links
that I and other hams have built, and don't claim that being on the
internet is somehow "Making QSOs via ham radio. (And I've got
the QSLs to prove it!)"
Read TAPR's "Let's give away the ham bands" proposal, and also
read the WinLink "Vision of the future" to see what we're talking
about. Both available on the web. Not much in the way of ham radio
involved in either of those proposals.
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:59:35 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Charles:
I've been wondering for a while now, why you spend so much time on this
band?
Clearly this band, rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc meters is a LandLineLid
band, how can it be so bad if you are spending so much time playing and
having fun here?
And . . . y"all still have not properly responded to my assertions that the
main reason we have not seen a fall off in ham packet radio in Europe is
simply because in most of Europe, Internet access is prohibitively expensive
compared to America. When that situation changes, and barring a return to
blatant socialism throughout the continent, it will, then the European ham
packet networks will face the same fate as the American one.
Charles you are living in a dream world! Your approach of trying to
confront the Internet is doomed to failure! You are simply hastening the
decline of amateur packet radio.
Please face reality and adopt an approach for amateur packet radio that is
complemenatry to the Internet.
Ask yourself, what is the best strategy for a mouse which sleeps with an
elephant?
Charles, please reconsider your retrograde approach and attitude. Spark
transmitters are dead, CW has now become an activity like long bow hunting,
AM nostalgists meet once a month on 75 meters, and the packet radio networks
of the 70's, 80's are now a complete anachronism!
Get modern, help the progress of amateur radio, the new millenium is almost
here, let's not go backwards.
... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
NR1 R HXC AB4BC ARL 8 MADISON, AL 0055Z SEP 25
MR CHARLES BRABHAM N5PBL
SOMEWHERE IN TEXAS
ARL TWENTY TWO YOUR PACKET NETWORK X REGARDS
PETER AB4BC
... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Thoughts, comments?
Best Regards,
Peter AB4BC QCWA # 21317, FISTS # 5946
Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
news:7sj8np$bv1@enews2.newsguy.com...
>
> Brian Mullaney <mullaneb@tecoma.mccc.edu> wrote in message
> news:7sirfc$mp0$1@lawrenceville.mccc.edu...
> >
> > > Are you claiming that all of those communications with "the rest of
the
> > > world" are strictly via Amateur Radio, and that no Internet links are
> > > used to, let's say, communicate with and within other tcpip LANS,
> > > download packet bulletins via telnet, or perhaps telnet to join in on
> > > distant ham radio converse servers? Hmmm?
> >
> > Thanks for confirming what Gary said, Charles. You don't know the
> > difference between the network and applications which run over it.
>
> Thanks for confirming that ham radio is not involved in any of the
> communications I mentioned, Brian. I knew Gary was a LandLine Lid, and he
> knew it, and now you have confirmed it for us all. It figures that Gary
> would try so hard to weasel... He knows he's in the wrong.
>
> You can hang any name on it you want to, or try to weasel around like Greg
> Jones, but the fact remains that "Amateur Telephone" is an ignorant,
> backward practice that can only serve to further set back the US packet
net,
> already severely damaged by the antics of the Lids who practice it.
>
> This is widely recognized everywhere except within the isolated,
provincial
> US tcpip community, and within an equally ignorant bunch in Australia.
Only
> the people actually doing the damage have proven to be too ignorant to
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