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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:53:43 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Charles:
Charlie, wake up and follow the bucks $ $ $ .
To understand the European (Continental) situation all you have to do is
shop their Internet access rates. (OK, then just look at the prices there
since , you really can't shop over there!) And, note the UK is different
having deregulated like us a few years ago. Thanks Margaret Thatcher!
Like most things in Continental Europe the Internet access rates are
extremely expensive (where you can get em). This is the only thing that is
holding the Continental European ham packet radio netwokr together. And it
is strictly because of politics, government policy, and monopolistic
behaviour on the part of the PTT's and former PTTs. If Continental Europe
were a more free market telecom jurisdiction, and it soon will be, it would
have been curtains for ham packet radio there as well!
Essentially most residential users cannot afford the Internet in Europe. As
long as that situation (which is political) persists then hams there will
continue to use their radio packet networks, but as soon as the Internet
access rates come down to the American or British level, then your vaunted
European ham radio packet nets will collapse like ours as well.
Good old American competition keeps Internet access prices down over here.
And . . . the Europeans like the Canadians are trying as rapidly as they
can to catch up to the American model.
Charlie, wake up and smell the roses! It's bigger than you. Hello! ! !
Internet access is cheap, cheap, cheap! Unless held artificially high by
socialistic anti-free trade government policies!
Your Type B attitude and approach will hasten the complete demise of amateur
packet radio!
Stop demonizing the Type A's and try to figure out solutions that complement
the Internet, not try to fight it!
Regards,
Peter
Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
news:7scqr2$1nl0@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> Gary Coffman <ke4zv@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >
>
> > That's what happened to the BBS "network" (which wasn't really ever a
> > network in the sense of a packet switched network anyway).
>
> That's why the BBS net works as well as it does. Your "packet switched
> network" cannot move a message across the country, not to mention the much
> bigger job of moving messages around the world, such as the BBS net does
> every day.
>
> The BBS "network", in other words, accomplishes many things with amateur
> radio that you and your fellow LandLine Lids must turn to non-ham means to
> even attempt to do.
>
> So you end up sucking hind-tit, but hey! That's part of being a LandLine
> Lid. - To suck.
>
> >When it was
> > the only game in town, it got a bit of use. But as soon as something
> faster
> > became widely available, it fell into disrepair. In other words, most of
> your
> > users abandoned you for the internet.
>
> Sorry, Gary, but it appears you have managed to confuse LandLine Lid
> rhetoric with reality. After repeating the lie so many times, you convince
> yourself that it's the truth. This is because you are too stupid to
examine
> the facts for yourself, or perhaps you lack character and just prefer the
> comforting lie.
>
> Fact is: The Internet did not just appear here in the USA. It also
appeared
> in Europe, but the BBS net there actually grew and developed while your
> fellow Lids were undermining it here in the US. The Internet drew off a
> number of packet ops there as well as here, but for THAT BBS network it
was
> only a temporary setback that was quickly overcome. - The difference is
that
> in Europe they were clever enough to enact legislation that protected the
> packet network by "hacking and cracking" by clueless jerks like you who
> insist that non-hams means of communication is the only possible way for
ham
> radio operators to communicate.
>
> Are you associated with the "little LEO" folks, by any chance? Do you
have
> an explanation of your constant and long-standing advocacy of Hams
> abandoning the use of the ham bands in order to communicate as much as
> possible by non-ham means of communication?
>
> Is anyone PAYING you, buy any chance, to go around attempting to convince
> hams that amateur radio is just not good enough?
>
> I would not be surprised.
>
> >You and Charles can rail about that,
> > but it is fact, and ultimately one has to face facts or become
permanently
> > disassociated from reality.
>
> Looks like you need to take a page from your own book there, Gary.
>
> YOU are the one insisting that abandoning the use of radio is somehow a
good
> thing for hams.
>
> YOU are the one who cannot face the fact that tcpip just won't cut it for
> the majority of the conditions that hams using radio must work with. You
> have so much trouble admitting that fact that you would rather use the
> Internet instead of ham radio so you can PRETEND that tcpip works for
hams.
>
> That's the most severe and clear-cut case of hams disassociating
themselves
> from reality that I have run across in my years with the hobby.
>
> --
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
> http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
>
>
>
>
>
>.
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:57:02 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Let's look at real numbers for TNC software sales
Charles:
Your heart is in the right place, and I love you for it, but you are wrong,
wrong, wrong.
The European ham packet radio model is being protected by artificial
socialistic, anti-free trade government activities.
However it too will soon fall into disfavor as the Internet access prices in
Europe fall to match the American and British models.
Regards,
Peter AB4BC
Charles Brabham <n5pvl@texoma.net> wrote in message
news:7scqr2$1nl0@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> Gary Coffman <ke4zv@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >
>
> > That's what happened to the BBS "network" (which wasn't really ever a
> > network in the sense of a packet switched network anyway).
>
> That's why the BBS net works as well as it does. Your "packet switched
> network" cannot move a message across the country, not to mention the much
> bigger job of moving messages around the world, such as the BBS net does
> every day.
>
> The BBS "network", in other words, accomplishes many things with amateur
> radio that you and your fellow LandLine Lids must turn to non-ham means to
> even attempt to do.
>
> So you end up sucking hind-tit, but hey! That's part of being a LandLine
> Lid. - To suck.
>
> >When it was
> > the only game in town, it got a bit of use. But as soon as something
> faster
> > became widely available, it fell into disrepair. In other words, most of
> your
> > users abandoned you for the internet.
>
> Sorry, Gary, but it appears you have managed to confuse LandLine Lid
> rhetoric with reality. After repeating the lie so many times, you convince
> yourself that it's the truth. This is because you are too stupid to
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