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> some service would probably be good idea.
>
> (of course not demanded by that amateur himself, but granted to him
> by others who appreciate the service)
In the US National Traffic System, awards are given to the stations
that relay messages within that system. From time to time I remember
to send in my traffic counts. Even though I don't actually do anything
myself (the computers do the work) I get one of those awards
every now and then. Others send and deliver the messages, I just
let 'em use my gear to move the traffic where it is going.
--
... Hank
http://horedson.home.att.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:07:49 GMT
From: nomail@pe1chl.demon.nl (Rob Janssen)
Subject: QUESTION 5726
SANDY@hornysandy.demon.nl <SANDY@hornysandy.demon.nl> wrote:
>Hello, sorry to disturb you newsgroup with this question.
His account has been terminated...
Rob
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:30:17 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: TAPR/ Little LEO connection?
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:7s9dr9$7ou$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > These are not for Ham radio by themselves. Even if the radio operated
> > all within the Ham 2.4 GHz band, it would still be illegal. Thus, the
> > only use of these devices, is to network Ham radio.
>
> Wait, I'm confused. These radios cannot be used on the ham bands.
> Therefore their only use is on the ham bands?
> Did I miss something somewhere?
Steve is just following the TAPR "party line".
For some mysterious reason, the "movers and shakers" at TAPR are endlessly
fascinated with the idea of moving as much ham radio traffic as possible off
of the ham bands.
Hardly seems like an "amateur radio" attitude at all, does it?
They'll do it with the telephone; they'll even do it with non-ham radio! The
main thing is to get that digital ham radio traffic off of those ham bands.
Yes, I know it's totally clueless, contrary to the best interests of the ham
radio community, and abysmally ignorant - That's TAPR for you! - But it's
really only ignorant and clueless if you are working FOR ham radio...
Personally, I strongly suspect that a few of the key players at TAPR are
working for the "little LEO" people, or some other commercial communications
outfit that wants to see hams lose as much spectrum as possible,
particularly the VHF/UHF stuff and higher.
Didn't Greg Jones of TAPR put in a year or so working with the LEO folks in
England? Wasn't it right after he returned from England that he became so
down on the idea of hams using radio to communicate, and started promoting
"wirelines" and tcpip despite the fact that it was (and is) against the best
interests of US hams wanting to build and maintain a ham radio digital
network and USE that spectrum?
Maybe somebody could clarify this possible TAPR/Little LEO connection. If
true, it certainly would explain a lot about the attitudes we see coming out
of TAPR, under it's present "leadership".
Ever notice how the real "movers 'n shakers" in the LandLine Lid community
tend to work for commercial communications outfits that would, in turn, tend
to benefit when hams lose spectrum? This might be a coincidence - Or it
might not.
Where does Phil Karn work?
The spectrum we have allocated to our use is worth billions of dollars.
People have infiltrated organizations and committed acts of deliberate
sabotage for far less in the past. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that
it's happening with the digital ham radio network in the US right now. After
all, the ham digital stuff is the one and only ham radio activity that has
potential to thoroughly "populate" the UHF and higher bands that most of the
spectrum grabbers are salivating over. TAPR would be the natural target to
infiltrate and build a base for that kind of frequency-grabbing sabotage.
All you have to do is discourage hams from using radio to move digital
information with any means at your disposal, up to and including advocating
that all the data be moved by non-ham means at every opportunity. As long as
the UHF and higher bands are made empty so their use by hams can be
questioned... That's the main thing.
And that's exactly what TAPR has accomplished under Greg's "leadership".
Anybody else have a good explanation as to why TAPR continued it's "LandLine
Lid" promotion after it had become plain several years ago that their
policies and what they advocated was damaging and undercutting the US packet
network, causing thousands of US packet ops to lose heart, and rapidly
depopulating the VHF/UHF bands in the US?
Anybody else have a better explanation for TAPR's anti-ham attitudes?
When Steve decided that non-hams means was the way to go, he was of course
being a lousy ham, but he was being a Great TAPR clown.
Hopefully I'm wrong in suspecting this, and the actions of Greg Jones and
TAPR can be chalked up to simple ignorance and incompetence instead of the
deliberate sabotage of the amateur radio service.
--
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
N5PVL @ N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NOAM
http://www.texoma.net/~n5pvl
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:27:51 -0500
From: "Peter O. Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: The Aplication Mantra
Hank:
tsk, tsk . . .
[snip]
Hank Oredson <horedson@att.net> wrote in message
news:7sa2ig$2f$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Yes and no ... we worked with the ARRL and the FCC to get the rules
> changed (85-105 for example), but did start operating "at the edge of
> the rules" prior to 85-105.
>
> > I was just trying to get some "new think" going. Heh, heh. We will
need
> it
> > for the next millenium!
> >
> > Hey I'm an old timer too, but probably not as long as you though.
>
> Well ... it was mostly old timers that got the "modern" digital modes
> off the ground. I was licensed in 1953, for example, and a lot of the
> other folks had been around about as long ... or longer ...
>
[snip]
Hank:
Tnx OT! Heh, heh.
Well. . . . I say that you guys were too tentative back then. You didn't
push hard enough to have the Rules changed to allow and enable packet fast
enough here in the States!. Ham's did not do it! They were far too
conservative and mired in the past!
It took a revolutionary Regulator like Dr. John DeMercado of Canada's DOC to
cut packet radio free from regulatory handcuffs and bindings and turn it
loose! Now you are all crying because we need a new revolution. Change is
constant Hank. Hello! The Internet is here.
The FCC and the ARRL were especially timid back when ham packet got started!
They watched timidly across the border to see if the Canadian experiment
with ham packet radio would cause blindness in Novices , or something . . .
.. whatever!
Hey we can't even get new codes like PSK31 off the ground here without
asking the Pope for permission! We have to leave it to the staid ole Brit's
and the Spanish to introduce new things to our bands! What hope is there
for Spread Spectrum? And . . . now the whole commercial world has come to
accept and to deploy CDMA everywhere, and hams are sitting on their buts
To be continued in digest: hd_99_239K
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