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TO: MOVIES @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Sunday, January 20th.,2013 @0608hrs EST <JPST>
<< Quoting G0TEZ to MOVIES @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : MOVIES@WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 19-Jan 23:56
> Bid : C90215G0TEZ Message # : 83255
> Title : RE: G0TEZ to Neil ..which one?
>
> First. I don't think I have ever seen Night to Remember,
> and i have been reading the bulls, so I can't comment.
Hi Ian ... I thought you had, as you answered Neil's posting.
> I am old enough to have seen The Dam Busters the first time
> around and a lot of times since but there was a TV programme
> which fitted in a lot more with what I had read. Firstly,
Agreed, I have seen the B&W one starring Richard Todd, too many
times, with vets, and it was accurate for the time it was made
as some parts were classified.
> Guy Gibson, according to interviews with people who knew him,
> was not a nice man. Like a lot of small men, he was a martinet
> without many friends. Unlike the film, he did not select the
> crews to be under him, they were selected independently and
> he only met them when they turned up.
Have to agree with you about his personal character, but then
after 174 flights, he had respect. There is more to his
person that I have read about, and got from vets.
Agreed. The only crewman he took with him was a man called
Hutchinson. Don't know his position on the plane.
> As for Nigger,trigger, Digger etc; I remember that Nigger was
> a very common name for an all black dog and a few cats.
> Like Rover, or Ranger even Fido.
Agreement there. Of course there was no big flap on at that time.
Guy Gibson even had a pet name, where he would call the dog "Nigsy".
As for your pedigree name, I've seen them over here, and I
can remember joking with my mother about giving "Rusty"
a long name like Russell Abacombe etc ... oh dear with
the scots brogue flow in my direction.
> Secondly, the film told the full story of Barnes Wallis. He was
> not a quiet bumbling man. He had many years as a chief
> scientist/engineer, working on the R101 airship, the Wellington
> bomber ( which IS mentioned in the film) and later the Tallboy
> and Earthquake bombes since reinvented by the Americans and called
> the Bunker Buster. Later, during the problems with the so called
> Sound barrier, he came up with the Swing Wing Jet, still used on
> many modern fighters.
Agreed. Barnes Wallis, played by Michael Redgrave, was to me
a quiet man. I never saw him depicted as bumbling, but a man with
a brain seemingly always in gear. His various occupations and
success, as he went prove he was far from being bumbling , but
a genius. You mention the Wellington, and that is proved in
pictures of his geodesic airframe. As for after the Spherical
bomb success < start in his garden with water tanks > not only
the Tallboy, and Earthquake < or Grand Slam > add the "Blockbuster".
Yes the list goes on.
> Like a lot of great inventors like John Logie baird and James Dyson,
> he did not get a University degree, neither did Albert Einstein
> for that matter. If the film did one thing for Wallis it made
> the government of the day give him an honorary doctorate.
Orginally Mr. Wallis, trained as a marine engineer, but in 1922
he did take a degree in engineering via the University of London
External Program, and look where that led him. Good thing for us.
> I don't really see much point in some of the poor degrees when
> people who got their degrees from some kind of technical college
> as my father did and, in the 70s, so did I, they said I could put
> the letters MSC after my name but I never have.
Agreed....
> While it is true that part of the reason for the Dam Busters raid
> was to divert attention from the attack via Sicily, it did have
> some effect on the Ruhr production. What is quite amusing is that
> the Germens recovered one of the unexploded bombs, reverse
> engineered it and used a version to attack shipping.
Hmmm ...???? I wonder if there was any effect between the Attack
on the Dams, <Dam Busters> or the operation called Mincemeat
depicted in the movie < The Man That Never Was >, about the wool
over the eyes of the German HQ to think the big attack was Greece
instead of Sicily.
You are partly right, about the Germans finding an unexploded
Bomb, just after the raid on the dams, they found it after
Flight Lt. Barlow's Lancaster crashed after hitting high tension
cables at Haldren, Germany. They did reverse engineer it, but
in testing, they also did or might have lost a few aircraft
as they didn't employ the technique of dropping it. So they
abandoned the bomb ... no victorys with it, and that was great
news.
> Bottom line: most of what we see on TV and film is propaganda and
> you have to ask yourself "why are they saying so and so happened ?
> when it is patently not true."
Some TV and Film are just stories with no merit, just like one I
saw yesterday, called "Von Ryan's Express" just a fictional story.
Also too there are films then and after the war that were censored
or changed to appease the censor. I always ask that question,
as it has impact on many, and a censored item, can end up being
truth and really it isn't.
I always hope the secrets Act will allow more stuff to be viewed
and some misleading material corrected, but then if the truth
be known too...will this cause problems too??? A never ending
loop Ian.
> The raid on Peenemunde is still shown as a great success when,
> most of the bombs fell on a fake target 3 miles away. How else
> could the Germans have moved most equipment to Nordhausen in a
> few days. It wasn't just the British who were brilliant a t
> faking factories and docks in empty fields.....
There was more then one raid on Peenemunde. The mission was to
destoy and or kill as many people connected with the war effort
there, and with good cause. Must have worked with the Germans
moved.
I don't doubt that the Germans didn't fake factories and other
things, as certain battles show this to be very true.
> If you can, try reading the three versions of the Assassination of
> Rheinhardt Heydrich. Ranging from almost total lie to partial
> truth to about 90% truth. The commonest, which was on TV today
> will have been the first - I don't know, I didn't bother watching it.
So? they have a movie on this? I thought the underground killed
him?
> As the general in another comedy war film used to say
> "Baaaaaa,Baaaaa.Baaa"
>
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 23:56 on 2013-Jan-19 GMT
> Message sent using WinPack-Telnet V6.80
>
> [End of Message #83255 from G0TEZ]
Aaah comedy war films too ... I liked George Fornby < not sure
of spelling> and the movie B&W where he is in a plane singing
<if you can stomach it> "oor Sargent-Major" Also the
"Carry on Gang" and all their movies. Loved laughing at them
all.
better get breakie going ...splap them pills down ... and kick off
the day by a call to Maria in South America.
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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