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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Mike Miller)
2. European Digipeating standards (Robert Bruninga)
3. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Ben Jackson)
4. Re: European Digipeating standards (Jan T. Pharo)
5. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Terry Palmer)
6. Re: European Digipeating standards (Kai Gunter Brandt)
7. Re: European Digipeating standards (Kai Gunter Brandt)
8. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Dale Blanchard)
9. Re: European Digipeating standards (Jan T. Pharo)
10. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Stephen H. Smith)
11. Re: European Digipeating standards (Andy AB9FX)
12. Re: European Digipeating standards (Jan T. Pharo)
13. RE: European Digipeating standards (Robert Bruninga)
14. Re: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards (Kai Gunter Brandt)
15. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Tad Burnett)
16. The Knack (John Habbinga)
17. Re: European Digipeating standards (Jan T. Pharo)
18. Re: The Knack (Jan T. Pharo)
19. HF Gateway Stations (John Habbinga)
20. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Tapio Sokura)
21. RE: HF Gateway Stations (Robert Bruninga)
22. Re: HF Gateway Stations (Stephen H. Smith)
23. Re: HF Gateway Stations (John Habbinga)
24. USB Software Update (Chuck Gooden)
25. Re: USB Software Update (Drew Baxter)
26. Re: HF Gateway Stations (John Habbinga)
27. RE: HF Gateway Stations (Robert Bruninga)
28. RE: HF Gateway Stations (Robert Bruninga)
29. RAFT in Packet-Voice mode (Robert Bruninga)
30. Re: USB Software Update (Stephen H. Smith)
31. Re: HF Gateway Stations (Stephen H. Smith)
32. Re: USB Software Update (Ben Jackson)
33. Re: USB Software Update (Drew Baxter)
34. Re: Laptops with true Serial Port (Rodney Baker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:04:09 -0600
From: "Mike Miller" <mike.kc9doa_at_sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
We use Dell at work and they can be ordered with at least one serial port.
Another alternative is the PCMCIA serial card from Socket I/O and others
that provide a true serial port.
>We need to purchase NEW laptops but have to have a serial port.
>
>Our purchasing department says they cannot find any. I know they
>are hard to find if at all. Does anyone have any leads? Not
>Ebay, not used. Must be in current production.
>
>I have heard of many problems with USB to serial adapters, and
>want to avoid that. We must have COM1 or COM2.
>
>Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:37:55 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Came across this old European map of digi standards:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/New-Eu-map.GIF
It is supposed to show what areas hav standardized on what paths.. Does it
need upgrading?
Bob, Wb4APR
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:10:48 -0800
From: Ben Jackson <ben_at_ben.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:27:41AM -0600, Mark Cheavens wrote:
>I have one of the newest D620's (we are a preferred customer of Dells
>(Greater that 100k computers purchased annually)). Our mandate
>requires 3 years full support with our image. The D620 has ONE serial
>port. - NO - Printer port!!!! (Yes I can no longer use my eprom
>programmer!!)
I just got a new D620 as well. There is a parallel port on the docking
station, and I'm told that isn't a very expensive option at purchase time.
--
Ben Jackson AD7GD
http://www.ben.com/
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:28:55 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
"Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>, Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:37:55 -0500:
>Came across this old European map of digi standards:
>
>http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/New-Eu-map.GIF
>
>It is supposed to show what areas hav standardized on what
>paths.. Does it need upgrading?
It does.
It is wrong.
Denmark is brown R,Tn (and has always been)
Norway is a mix (some are insisting on W1,Wn, some are insisting on
R,Tn, some do R,W and so just as before) - hence Red. Polish amateurs
have reported W1,Wn but it might be just as most of Europe: Red.
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:28:45 -0500
From: "Terry Palmer" <terrypalmer2_at_compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
Bob -
Have no fear; no problems with the KEYSPAN USB to serial adapter. In fact,
the come with a serial assistant utility that let's you reassign the Com
Port #.
The Winlink Airmail program was finicky as I recall it only accepted COM 1 -
4. The above USB adapters are fine. DO NOT USE BELKIN!!!
Terry, K1LCH
COL USA-Ret
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:02 +0100
From: Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>Came across this old European map of digi standards:
>
>http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/New-Eu-map.GIF
>
>It is supposed to show what areas hav standardized on what
>paths.. Does it need upgrading?
>
>Bob, Wb4APR
Seems ok for Norway. But its stil a problem with people using older setup.
And theres no agreement on using the new-WideN-N
And its a little difficult to "learn" people when your statement:
1) Ask ALL users to stop using WIDEn-N and start using TRACEn-N.
---- OR -----
2) Simply swap the names WIDEn-N and TRACEn-N at the digis and let users
keep operating as before with the simple path of WIDEn-N.
Why? Because UI-View users probably is following M0CYP recomandations on
using TRACEn-N
http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/uiview_neweu.htm as this is a link from
http://www.ui-view.org/
It would be better to explain that if more than 60% of european is using
some sort of WIDE or WIDEn-N its easier to adapt to the new-WideN-N rather
than TRACEn-N
So the "easy swap" is the hardest ;o)
If every country is going for one standard then it should not be a
problem(localy), but visitors have to change their setup.
Kai Gunter
LA3QMA
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:37:21 +0100
From: Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Jan T. Pharo wrote:
>It does.
>It is wrong.
I think the purpose is to display the recomandations and not the actual
configurations??
If not then it should be red :o(
Kai Gunter
LA3QMA
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:37:18 -0800
From: Dale Blanchard <wa7ixk_at_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>We need to purchase NEW laptops but have to have a serial port.
>
>Our purchasing department says they cannot find any. I know
>they are hard to find if at all. Does anyone have any leads?
>Not Ebay, not used. Must be in current production.
>
>I have heard of many problems with USB to serial adapters, and
>want to avoid that. We must have COM1 or COM2.
>
>Bob, WB4APR
Depends on how much laptop you require.
Fry's has some with serial ports with the store brand.
I have a Great Quality MX 3203 with a serial port.
I got it for ham radio use because of the serial port.
Has 4 usb ports, Lan, Modem, No A drive.
Has CD burner.
Dale
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:43:48 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>, Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:02
+0100:
>It would be better to explain that if more than 60% of european is using
>some sort of WIDE or WIDEn-N its easier to adapt to the new-WideN-N
>rather than TRACEn-N
You tell that to the danes; first, put on an asbestos suit. :-)
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:47:20 -0800
From: "Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2_at_aol.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
terrypalmer2_at_compuserve.com wrote:
>Bob -
>
>Have no fear; no problems with the KEYSPAN USB to serial adapter. In
>fact, the come with a serial assistant utility that let's you reassign
>the Com Port #.
>
>The Winlink Airmail program was finicky as I recall it only accepted
>COM 1 - 4. The above USB adapters are fine. DO NOT USE BELKIN!!!
>
>cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
ben_at_ben.com wrote:
>
>
>I just got a new D620 as well. There is a parallel port on the docking
>station, and I'm told that isn't a very expensive option at purchase time.
Probably, neither of this solutions is viable for Bob since he is still
trying to run DOS applications from DOS.
USB devices simply don't exist at DOS since they are dependent on
Windows-based drivers for their operation. [Except for some removable
USB mass storage devices like flash drives and ext HDDs that SOME modern
motherboard BIOSes make appear as virtual hard drives to DOS.]
While there are drivers for PCMCIA serial ports (or at least used to
be!) for DOS, the bulky multi-layer driver stacks often resulted in "RAM
CRAM" problems in the limited DOS memory space of only 1MB. By the
time, you loaded a mouse driver, and a two-layer CD-ROM driver, and the
PC-Card manager and the actual PCcard serial port driver you had
consumed too much RAM to allow the main app to run.
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
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