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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:50:24 -0600
From: "Andy AB9FX" <ab9fx_at_aprs.pl>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Polish amateurs
>have reported W1,Wn but it might be just as most of Europe: Red.
>
>--
>73 de Jan, LA2BBA
>Hvaler, Norway
No, in Poland there is no RELAY, no WIDE, no TRACE, no TRACEn-n
There are just W1, Wn (traceable) and SPn (non-traceable)
So, red is not proper color for digi standars in Poland.
73!
Andrzej SP3LYR
www.aprs.pl
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:55:15 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>, Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:02
+0100:
>If every country is going for one standard then it should not be a
>problem(localy), but visitors have to change their setup.
As I have asked before: _Who_ in a country or a region will decide
that the country/region is going for a standard?
IMHO, (as long as the authorities (in US: FCC) say that the amateurs
should make their standards), the amateur radio associations. But even
then, the individuals owning their stations are entitled to do as they
like, as long as they are inside legal limits (like bandwidth,
identifier)
(As a side remark:
In Norway, there has AFAIK been _one_ (1) authority statement regarding
amateur radio during the last months, and that statement was to APRS,
saying (the obvious fact) that foreign amateurs must use the guest country
indicator before their callsign, regardless of APRS standards. Now, the
APRS standards don't allow e.g. LA/WB4APR in the MYCALL field, but you can
put it in the Status Text field, and comply with the legal requirements.)
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:12:48 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga_at_usna.edu>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
>Polish amateurs
>>have reported W1,Wn but it might be just as most of Europe:
Red.
>
>No, in Poland there is no RELAY, no WIDE, no TRACE, no
TRACEn-n
>There are just W1, Wn (traceable) and SPn (non-traceable)
>So, red is not proper color for digi standars in Poland.
Thanks! I updated the chart with comments so far.
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/New-Eu-map.GIF
Bob, WB4aPR
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:25:55 +0100
From: Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>
Subject: Re: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
Jan T. Pharo wrote:
>Kai Gunter Brandt <kai.brandt_at_hjemme.no>, Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:02
>+0100:
>
>>If every country is going for one standard then it should not be a
>>problem(localy), but visitors have to change their setup.
>>
>As I have asked before: _Who_ in a country or a region will decide
>that the country/region is going for a standard?
>IMHO, (as long as the authorities (in US: FCC) say that the amateurs
>should make their standards), the amateur radio associations. But even
>then, the individuals owning their stations are entitled to do as they
>like, as long as they are inside legal limits (like bandwidth,
>identifier)
The "who" should either be the node/repeater mananger at NRRL. Or he
could be asking for a recomandation/ideas for all the sysops that is
responsible for the DIGIpeaters.
NRRL stated for some years ago that they didn't want to "manange" APRS
as it is just the same thing as the node network (so they though)
And even without some papermill the sysops who presumably know what they
are doing or at least have some experience with the setup can come with
some recomandations so that theres at least one standard in each country.
The the node/repeater manager can say that if you want a callsign for a
permanent DIGIpeater then you should apply to this setup. i-e new-WIDEn-N
or TRACEn-N if not you are not permitted.
Home DIGIs is another topic but don't think we should take this here :o)
FCC you say...I'll agree that the standard should be something the HAMs
agree to do, not FCC. And i know that the statement from Norway is that
foreign users is required to use LA prefix. This has more to do with APRS
not following the rules. But for this thers a fix as you say with the
StatusText.
But APRS is a standard and theres a protocol so why is everybody not
following this standard and prefer to use other settings than i.e the new
widen-n ??
So i think its the manangers or sysops that have to agree. Permanent digis
with LD signatures should not be allowed to use different setup. The 2MHz
shift on 70cm took 2years for everybody to change or set the repeater QRT.
For one APRS setup in Norway it should not take longer....
Maybe new-WIDEn-N should accept RELAY then its compatible with TRACEn-N
and we have to get people using the KPC to change hardware.
Kai Gunter
LA3QMA
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:35:22 -0500
From: Tad Burnett <tburnett_at_vermontel.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
Just curious....
Did you cal Dell..
Don't they advertise that they will build one for you ???
Is that all BS or will they ???
Tad N1QAG
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:50:32 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: [aprssig] The Knack
This is slightly ham radio related, perhap not related to APRS, but I
thought I'd share. Maybe it is as relevant as laptops with serial ports.
Check out this medical diagnosis that seems to affect many of the users on
this group. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wplyCogv3to
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:37:44 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] European Digipeating standards
"Andy AB9FX" <ab9fx_at_aprs.pl>, Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:50:24 -0600:
>No, in Poland there is no RELAY, no WIDE, no TRACE, no TRACEn-n
>There are just W1, Wn (traceable) and SPn (non-traceable)
>So, red is not proper color for digi standars in Poland.
Thanks, Andy!
Well, then it's OK.
South West Norway (approximately), EI, SP, and TF: Green.
Denmark: absolutely brownish.
Rest of Europe: Red, unstructured, as you like (or dislike).
Network Analysis within 1000 km of my QTH (59N,011E)
||141 WIDEn-n
||57 WIDE
||6 WIDE1-1
||73 TRACEn-n
||1 TRACE
||35 RELAY
||31% TRACEABLE
||
||59 RELAY, WIDE, TRACE, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n 24,4%
||0 RELAY, WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n 0%
||57 RELAY, TRACEn-n (EU Nirvana) 23,6%
||11 RELAY, WIDEn-n 4,5%
||5 WIDEn-n, TRACEn-n 2,1%
||110 WIDE1-1,WIDEn-n (USA Nirvana - IF Traceable) 45,5%
(the "nirvana" text is not mine, but the standard text from the
analysis application)
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:47:39 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba_at_jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] The Knack
"John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>, Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:50:32 -0600:
>This is slightly ham radio related, perhap not related to APRS, but I
>thought I'd share. Maybe it is as relevant as laptops with serial ports.
Has there been any mentioning of laptops with serial ports lately?
Here? In the aprssig? How come I haven't seen them :-) ?
>Check out this medical diagnosis that seems to affect many of the users on
>this group. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wplyCogv3to
Nice video :-)
But - who wouldn't want to be an engineer?
--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:10:20 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq_at_gmail.com>
Subject: [aprssig] HF Gateway Stations
I would like to view the locations of HF APRS Gateway stations. I have
found this webpage, http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/gates.html, but I
cannot get javAPRS to work (unsigned active-x control).
Is there another place I can view these stations?
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:13:20 +0200
From: Tapio Sokura <oh2kku_at_iki.fi>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Laptops with true Serial Port
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>We need to purchase NEW laptops but have to have a serial port.
I didn't see this model mentioned yet: HP/Compaq nc6320.
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