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From: KB2VXA@WT3V.#CNJ.NJ.USA.NOAM
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Hello progressive Amateur Radio ops,
Paula, G8PZT wrote with my interspersed comments:
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:34:38 +0000
From: g8pzt@gb7pzt.#24.gbr.eu (Paula)
To: wlan@ww
Subject: It's not ham radio
"As they say, it's a slack news day....."
Not in the least for those who have been following the thread and paying attention.
"I have no objection to anyone going to a PC shop, buying a piece of
consumer electronics (WIFI card), hanging an aerial on it and playing
with things wirelessly."
What means "wirelessly"? I was under the impression the term was "wireless". Maybe you can explain just what is so wireless about your BBS.
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Packet: G8PZT @ GB7PZT.#24.GBR.EU (44.131.91.2) [Kidderminster]
Email: g8pzt@blueyonder.co.uk
GB7PZT: 01562-745527 24h 300-33,600 8,n,1
Software: XServ BBS, Xrouter, PEARL off-line-reader.
Web Site: www.pzt.org.uk (also www.qsl.net/g8pzt)
Telnet: (BBS): gb7pzt.dyndns.org:88 and 44.131.91.2:23
Telnet: (KIDDER): g8pzt.ath.cx and 44.131.91.245
HTTP: http://g8pzt.ath.cx/ and http://44.131.91.245
"But this is appliance operating, it's not "amateur Packet Radio". You're
hardly doing anything ground breaking - even my mother could set up a
wirelan lan network with bits from PC-world. There's not even much "self
training in wireless telegraphy" in it - yes, plenty of self training in
the art of spending money and getting GatesWare to talk to the hardware,
but no "real" radio. You don't even use a callsign. Aside from setting
the thing to channel 2, which any member of the public can legally do anyway,
what's the difference between you and any unlicensed person?"
Just what is the difference between you and any unlicensed person? You don't need any sort of a license to use the Internet BUT you DO need a license to modify and operate that microwave gear on Amateur frequencies at higher power levels using an amplifier. You haven't been paying attention in class, the discussion went right on by while you were asleep.
"We don't all live on mountain tops. Most of the users of my node are working
me over obstructed paths, and none of them would be in range of a 2.4GHz
transmitter. For them, 2 metres is the only band they can reach me on."
More whinge from a land line lid. Again, you haven't been paying attention. Oh, WHAT users are working you, obstructed or otherwise? I see no evidence of it here.
"So don't go on about WiFi being the future of packet radio - it isn't, and
will never be. It is just another minority facet of a huge and varied hobby,
and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not the be all and end all."
Only half true, you haven't been following the thread. You are about a month behind the discussion and the only one not up to speed. Nothing you have written has anything to do with the testing being done or the topic under general discussion.
"Save this bulletin, and in ten years we'll see if WiFi has supplanted all
other forms radio networking. My guess is that it won't, and I'll tell you
why... Because there are fortunately still some Packet Radio enthusiasts
who refuse to become domestic appliance operators."
What forms of radio networking do you use? I see no evidence of it here. No, I'll tell YOU why, because there will be die hard land line lids fouling the radio network regardless of the links be they HF, VHF, UHF or microwave broadband. Now pray tell me ONE packet radio enthusiast who isn't an "appliance operator"! When was the last time one built a computer, TNC and tranceiver from the ground up? Have YOU? (;->) More waffle.
"So you connected a (commercial no doubt) antenna to your WiFi? Big deal!
I connected a dipole to my HI-FI, but it doesn't make me a radio ham, even
though I made the dipole myself."
There's a LOT more to it than you think, but what would a land line lid know about radio let alone a microwave backbone LAN with high speed broadband user ports? Yeah, I got my dipole at Radio Shack, came with the HI-FI receiver I bought there, so what?
"Now, if no-one takes issue with me over this, I'll know there's no point in
running a BBS any more, because there's been precious little traffic on
here lately."
As for the first half, did you really expect no one to take issue with your uninformed and ignorant from not paying attention land line lid waffle? Now for the second half, PLEASE pull the plug, one less LLL to contend with, and you wonder why yours is so little traffic? (Bet you were jammed up the wazoo during the recent DoS attack but will never andmit to it.)
73, Paula
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--- End of messsage #78510 to WLAN from G8PZT ---
End of my comments too, everything needed to be said has been said, everything needing proof has been proven when the DoS attack on the Internet knocked all the land line lids off line. Oh, just one more to quote Jackie Gleason, "HOW SWEET IT IS!" (;->)
73 de Warren, KB2VXA@WT3V.#CNJ.NJ.USA.NOAM
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