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South African Ham Radio UFO Interest Group. Known as (SAHRUIG).
NEWS Volume 1 News letter No.136
Don't forget to "LOOK UP TO THE SKIES" you may see something exiting.
Your Comments, Sightings or UFO/Paranormal stories will be welcomed and
are needed. When submitting Sighting reports please send as much detail as
possible.
Also any sightings seen by "non Hams" are also welcome via Email.
Address them via Packet to ZS2ABF @ ZS0ELD.ECP.ZAF.AF
Or Via Email to ptottle@qwest.co.za
HERE IS SOME OLD UFO NEWS THAT I HAVE NOT PUBLISHED BEFORE ENJOY:
BELIEVE IT OR BELIVE IT NOT !!!
COME ON GUY'S LET'S HAVE SOME INPUT FROM OUT THERE.
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QUOTES
Gerald Ford, 1966
"In the firm belief that the American public deserves a better explanation
than that thus far given by the Air Force, I strongly recommend that there be
a committee investigation [of the UFO phenomenon]."
Congressman [later President] Gerald Ford[3], 1966
Filer's Files #17-1998 MUFON Sky watch Investigations
George A. Filer: MUFON Eastern Director,
April 30, 1998 Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020
PRESIDENT GERALD FORD'S GREATEST HOUR:
On March 25, 1966, House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford R- Michigan proposed
that Congress investigate the rash of reported sightings of identified
objects
in Southern Michigan and other parts of the country. Ford said he believed,
"A congressional inquiry would be worth while because the American people are
becoming alarmed by the UFO stories."
I had always liked President Ford, because I believe he had the public
interest at heart. He was one of the few congressmen, who was concerned
about
the Unidentified Flying Objects in our skies. I ask is there any congressman
with the courage of former President Ford who will again ask for an UFO
inquiry? There are very few if any congressmen willing to put his career,
prestige, and reputation on the line.
If we do get an opportunity, there are astronauts, military personnel, and
scientists standing ready to testify. I feel we have enough data to convince
congress in a fair hearing. Leaders in the UFO community have often felt, if
they could just have enough influence they could get the right answers. We
know that President Ford, Carter and Clinton have all attempted to obtain
the answer from government sources regarding UFOs.
I recently asked President Ford about the existence of UFOs. He wrote me a
friendly letter telling of his 25 and half years in the House -- never in the
Senate. His letter stated in part, "During my public career in Congress, as
Vice President and President, I made various requests for any information on
UFOs. The official authorities always denied the UFO allegations. As a
result I have no information that may be helpful to you."
If Congress, like the president uses its normal sources of intelligence such
as CIA, DIA, NSA, NASA they will likely get the same answer as our presidents
claim they were given. Essentially, our government intelligence agencies are
not aware or responsive to UFO reports and a possible alien threat. We have
a
choice to assume they are incompetent, unaware or lying. I hope some where
in
government there is someone correlating the data. One logical reason to
ignore the thousands of UFO reports is that they think they know what is
flying. The CIA recently claimed that most UFOs were misidentified U-2s. The
long wing span of the U-2 makes this a poor candidate to be mistaken for a
disc aircraft. However, the disc shaped Silverbug project recently released
could easily be identified as a classic UFO. The Air Force asked a number of
key scientists for the explanation of UFOs. The scientists always told them
it was a case of simple misidentification. These UFOs in our skies either
belong to our government or to someone else. They are a safety hazard and a
possible threat.
I was part of the group of military witnesses during Dr. Greer's attempts to
get Congressional Hearings last year. I spoke immediately after Edgar's
Mitchell's introduction to the media and various staff members of Congress.
Edgar later indicated, "In our briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Intelligence Group, it became very clear to us that they were naive. They did
not really know any more about this effort than we do, if as much."
In my own personal efforts to reach Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
General Shalikashvili, he and his aid both indicated the same lack of
knowledge about UFOs. I wrote and asked that he debate me on national
television. He kindly refused before leaving office. Now certainly all
these
fine people could be stone walling us, but it seems more likely they are
unaware and do not take UFOs seriously, because there are Black budget
programs that fit the descriptions of UFOs. This could be a clever way of
ignoring our inquires, but it could be that most of the important people in
government now are just not aware of real UFOs.
Somewhere there must be knowledgeable people in government. If they do not
exist in government any more, I suggest they hire some of the old retired
guys
to show them where we hid the secrets. The secret has been denied, obscured
and joked about for so long it's become a taboo subject. This means we have
a
major public relations problem. We need help in convincing leaders of
government there is a possible threat and that it should be examined.
The late Representative Steven Schiff asked for an explanation for the
Roswell
crash. There was a governor of Georgia, named Carter who said, "I saw a UFO,
and if you elect me president I'll find out what they are!" Well, we elected
him president and he never told us. Governor Reagan saw a UFO and said we
might have to fight aliens. In 1966, Representative Gerald Ford made
national
headlines and later became President by asking about UFOs. Let us hope there
is one person in congress with the courage of former President Gerald Ford.
Perhaps he might even become president!
Subject: Interview with Dr. Ted Loder
Interview with University of New Hampshire Professor Dr. Ted Loder:
UFOs are not only real, they're already here
By AMANDA MILKOVITS
Staff Writer
Foster's Sunday Citizen
DURHAM - An interstellar war and a covert military-industrial group that's
brainwashing Earthlings - it's not a Hollywood feature, it's reality, says
Professor Ted Loder of the University of New Hampshire.
Loder, a full-time professor of chemical oceanography at UNH, has spent
more than a year studying UFOs and alien reports, and says he's convinced
they're no joke.
Now the 57-year-old Seacoast man says he wants to "wake up" everyone else.
Loder represented the state of New Hampshire in a closed congressional
briefing last summer, where those who claim to have seen UFOs requested a
hearing with representatives from the White House, from the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, and congressmen.
Loder became interested in UFOs more than a year ago, after his cousin, who
had worked under President Eisenhower, told him that he'd seen material
from a UFO that allegedly crashed in Roswell, N.M., in 1947. The military
has said the material was from an experimental spy balloon - and not a UFO.
Shows produced by Disney about UFOs, advertisements using aliens, crop
circles, confidential military reports of UFO sightings - Loder sees all
those as proof that aliens are here, and a secret covert organization is
trying to condition Americans into thinking it's all a myth.
And hoaxers who build crop circles and debunk UFO sightings are actually
paid off by the covert organization, he says.
Loder is a member of The Centre for the Study of Extraterrestrial
Intelligence (CSETI) and works with its director, Dr. Steven Greer. He says
he's seen UFOs, and so have astronauts and top military officials who are
finally coming forward.
Loder realizes that much of what he believes sounds "out there" to casual
observers, but believes he's playing the role of Cassandra by talking about
the implications of the disclosure of extra-terrestrial realities - and the
possibilities from using alien technology. He'll speak about the
implications on May 12 from 4:10 to 6 p.m. in James Hall, room 303, on the
UNH campus.
Professor Ted Loder: Our planet is being visited by alien craft and it's
about time that people know this. This is the most important thing there
is. ... I think the aliens who are visiting this planet are fed up with
our monkey business. I mean, look at this planet. Look at this place. We're
polluting ourselves to death....But I think the pressure is being put on by
extra-terrestrials because
there are more and more sightings going on.
Foster's Sunday Citizen: Except, here's the other side. The Mutual UFO
Network says of all the sightings they get, 90 percent are false.
Loder: There is some of Venus and swamp gas; it's so laughable it's
ridiculous. But if you see a large metallic disk hovering over your house
with lights shining down on you, totally silent, it's not going to be
Venus, it's not going to be swamp gas. It's a real thing.
FSC: The standard line from the military is we do not investigate UFOs; we
do not believe in UFOs. And in a way, you can also hear they are probably
sick to death of these reports. ... And, come on, the military is not that
good at covering stuff up.
Loder: That's why we know it's out there. They're trying to pull it over on
us. Most people believe that.
FSC: Why bother covering something up? This is a capitalist society. If
there's a great (alien technology) energy out there, we'd jump on it and
make some money.
Loder: That's where we get into a diabolical nature of things. ... There's
a cadre of military, covert military and industrial groups that have been
working on this technology for 50 years. ... What happens when this stuff
really comes out, not just you writing an article, but it finally makes
people's consciousness? They leave their football game, their beer bottles
and say, `Holy c'. This stuff is
really, really real.' ... (But) the message is, this is not real. ... That
is the message the media has been putting out for 50 years. And you guys
have been orchestrated by the people who are jerking your chains.
FSC: So you think the media is being controlled?
Loder: Absolutely.
FSC: is who controlling them?
Loder: I don't know who's pulling your chains. Look at the history of this
whole thing. Back in the '50s, there was a very tight group put together by
President Truman and some others. I don't know the historical details ...
but there's a group called the Majestic 12. ... Those were the initial
cover-up people who were
appointed to look into this thing and come up with strategies for keeping
it undercover because we were at war with Russia at the time.
FSC: There's a lot of talk about that, and you're going to have other
people say, "what cover-up?"
Loder: That's fine. They can just go their way. (Loder quotes from an
e-mail sent by a UFO watcher to Greer, saying a "Home Improvement" episode
with an alien-bent was evidence that Disney was selected as part of the
government's plan for "conditioning a and subsequent disclosure")... I'm
just going to make a point that this stuff is getting more and more into
the media. See the Volkswagen ad for
the Volkswagen Bug. The Bug comes flying in like a UFO, and it comes flying
across the screen and they say, "reverse engineered from alien technology."
FSC: Don't you think the media is just having fun and making fun of it?
It's just a big, fat spoof.
Loder: Of course it is. That's part of the point, isn't it?
Semi-diabolical, people are being conditioned by this, whether the media is
doing it consciously or unconsciously. ...
FSC: How do you personally decide what's real and what's too way out there?
Loder: (Holds up "The Day After Roswell" book by retired Col. Philip J.
Corso). ... His job in the '60s behind the scenes was to plant the material
and technology from the Roswell crash, the UFO crash, to take the
technology ... into industry within the United States so they could take
this stuff and then they could develop stuff we could use. ... It's people
like that with solid military
credentials who are coming out and saying this stuff. You've got to pay
attention. This is not some guy who's trying to make a quick buck.
FSC: Except what's very conflicting is you'll believe this military person,
but you won't believe that military person. What are the standards that
you're using to measure evidence so you know that you can back it up?
LODER: That's a very solid question. When I first started looking into
this, I had the knowledge from my cousin, who I trusted, who gave me solid
references and stuff. I couldn't believe everything he was telling me
either. ... However, I'm not going to throw it out because you get more
into this thing and there's a lot of stuff that you initially didn't
believe, that's real. ...One of the things
that's going on, hard to believe it, is that we're basically at war with
E.T. craft. STAR WARS was developed to shoot down UFOs; there's a lot of
evidence about that if you start
digging. STAR WARS was developed to shoot down Russian (missiles) - that's
the line we were given - but the side venue was to be able to shoot down
UFOs, using this advanced technology. ... And you talk to other people,
whom I trust, and they talk to people in the military who have told them,
yes, we have shot down UFOs.
We are fundamentally at war with these guys, and you and I don't know about
that. We're just going along, buying our groceries, drinking a beer and
watching TV. And the country, and the world, is at war with a bunch of
intelligence that is so far ahead of us, it's just ridiculous. ...
All kinds of people have seen them (UFOs), and nobody talks about it,
unless they get into an environment where they can talk, because of the
giggle factor. Because we have been programmed through the media and
everything else. Watch the things on TV.
FSC: They have these Jerry Springer guests on talking about their alien
abductions...
Loder: Yeah. They get the weirdest guys, and they say, "Man, I was outside
and this thing came down." And you look at these guys and say, Oh yeah,
there's another one. Whether it's true or not, you don't believe them. And
it's purposely done that way to put a spin on it so you don't truly believe
it. We're being - I don't want to appear diabolical - but we're being
slowly conditioned. ...It's going to
take more and more of our tax money to keep this under cover.
FSC: But this isn't appearing in any budget anywhere. If I pick up the
federal budget, where am I going to find the cover-up line?
Loder: The National Security Agency ... last year admitted that they
couldn't find $2 billion in the budget. So you ask about the $150 toilet
seats. Cost them $10. What did they do with the other $140? You can figure
it out. Yeah, it doesn't show up in the budget or it shows up in some
budgets 10 layers down ... I don't know how it works. But it works. ...
FSC: The reaction I've heard is it's not possible. There's probably life,
but that spaceships are swinging over trailer parks and abducting people
for experiments - No. I know you've heard that.
Loder: That's some of the wacko stuff and it's put out there. Some of
that's probably happening. A lot of the abductions are done by the military.
FSC: No, come on...
Loder: I can't even guess why the military does what it does. To put fear
into people, perhaps. ...
FSC: But that people have been abducted by aliens - you can't confuse that
with the military.
Loder: This is the military projecting things in your mind, so you think
it's aliens. These technologies that they have, that are reverse engineered
- I'm not going to say any more because I'll just blow you away. I'll just
leave at there are technologies that are purely magic to what you and I
know. ...
There's still a lot of information available at the CIA. (Holds up a thick
book of 200-plus pages of federal documents). If you go through there, it's
pretty bloody obvious that the military has known about this stuff and has
been covering up this stuff for 50 years.
FSC: How will you answer those people who say, "no way?" Are you afraid for
your job?
Loder: Listen, I went to a congressional briefing. There were senators and
representatives there, OK. This is from a high level. This isn't from the
tabloids. ... But I'll tell you one thing here, in order to understand the
whole phenomena of UFOs, you have to understand the government's role, the
military role, and some of this other fringe stuff. Because without it, the
picture is incomplete. And
the whole story makes up one of the most incredible, diabolical, strange,
weird, whatever stories you've heard. I've heard so many things that I
cannot believe when I first heard them, but six months later I'm saying,
This is the way it is, guys. That's why
you can't handle all the stuff I'm telling you, because I'm telling you
stuff that's taken me a year and a half and hundreds of hours to learn, and
I'm leaving out 80 percent of it.
FSC: What scares you now?
Loder: ...What scares me is that this information is not going to get out
to the people of this world who should know it. That it's going to continue
to be kept under cover. I don't believe it's going to happen because I
think there are more and more UFOs being sighted, and after a while,
somebody's got to pay attention to this. ... I'm major,ly concerned that our
government will continue to be at war with
the E.T.s, will continue to try to cover the thing up, spending our money
to do so, keeping this knowledge from the human population. And in doing
so, continue to pollute and degrade the planet. ... The alien technologies
include such things as anti-gravity and other non-polluting sources of
energy. It doesn't take a
rocket scientist to know if you have anti-gravity at your disposal and it
can be created using relatively clean energy, this has an impact on our
transportation issues. ...You wonder why it's been kept under wraps? It's
pretty obvious.
FSC: No, I don't understand why it's been kept under wraps. You can make a
lot of money from anti-gravity, but no one's done that.
Loder: Well, I don't know the reasons for this. Part of it is, if they
admit we have these technologies, question number one is, Gee, where did
you get it. Answer: We can't tell you where we got it, but we got it. But
it will become obvious real quick that we didn't develop this on planet
Earth: It came from extra-terrestrials. Now the government, which has been
covering this up for 50 years for their
own reasons, has to admit that they've been covering the biggest secret
there is from the world population. ...
FSC: What do you think about the recent proliferation of alien and UFOs in
the popular media?
Loder: It's a raising of the awareness that the control group, the people
who run the world behind the scenes - I don't want to get into that because
it's fringy stuff.
FSC: Except that you've mentioned the control group an awful lot. Do you
believe there is a control group or not?
Loder: Yes, I do. But it's very segmented, and whether it's one group or
several groups, I don't really know. Dr. Greer is watched, his phones are
tapped ... mine may be tapped, I don't know. ...
FSC: Are you concerned about ridicule from students or any serious problems?
Loder: I talked to a number of students in my classes. I talked about the
carbon dioxide, fossil fuel burning, the greenhouse warming, and all these
things are real. ... That's the bad news. The good news is we have buried
away, waiting in the wings, technologies reverse engineered from alien
craft that have flown in or been shot down, and these technologies are
non-polluting and include
anti-gravity and other stuff. And it's going to be available to all of us.
And I think that's going to save our butts.
So, I try to put this in some sort of a context and furthermore, I tell
them I've been to a congressional briefing. And then a lot of students came
up and said, when are you going to give the talk?
FSC: So you're not concerned?
LODER: I would be concerned if I was the lone person from the planet
talking about this....
The reason I decided to do something about this, is because this is
probably the most important thing there is in terms of how it affects our
planet, how it affects our philosophy, how it affects our religion, how it
affects our environment, how it affects the people's view of themselves as
a race, how it affects our political wars.
When suddenly, we as a planet are being asked to join the interstellar
blah, blah, blah organization, we're going to have to get our act together.
"Oh my God, things are bigger than we thought they were. We'd better clean
up our act." I think this is going to change things dramatically. ... I'm
trying to make people aware.
It's, "hey, guys (whistles) heads up!" There are some interesting things
going on that you may want to be aware of. It's going to affect all of us
down the line.
And whether it happens in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, etc it's going to
happen in that time frame.
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73's and Bye from Peter ZS2ABF - East London, South Africa.
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