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Subj: Re: Re. FT200 Help
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Dawie ZR6DHC wrote:-

> I received a couple of bulletins and even a few e mails pointing me to
> http://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/yaesu/ft200/ This was just what I was
> looking for. 

But you weren't really looking for it! If you were, as you have internet
access then surely that's where you'd be looking - not on packet?

> It just goes to show once again that packet has still a long way to go 
> and the hinternet is just there to amuse the ignorant;-)

Huh?

It does just the opposite - it proves, unsurprisingly, that internet
should always be your first port of call if you have it. It does though
also prove that even so, there are always people on packet who are
naturally helpful, and willing to point people in the right direction.

And it proves in this case, that those who seek help and get it, are often
appreciative and take the trouble to say so, as Dawie has done.

That isn't always the case. I'm sure I'm not alone in having helped
countless people on packet over the years, and I've always done so 
without seeking recompense, simply to help a "kindred spirit".

Too often, there's not the courtesy of a reply to say "thanks - I got your
stuff, it was really helpful". I've often chased up to see if people have
got what I sent. Invariably they have. 

I think that's why sometimes people don't bother to respond to help
requests any more. That's a shame, because you can't blame one person 
seeking help, for the shortcomings of others who've gone before them.

Those who came to your aid in this instance did a search on internet and
pointed you in the right direction. I've just done a google search which
came back with:

"Yaesu FT200+circuit": Response, 230 sites in 0.16 secs.
"Yaesu FT200+manual" : Response, 599 sites in 0.21 secs.

Sure, some sites are twaddle, but all you've done by using packet is to
delay getting access to info you could have had at your fingertips in
seconds.

What packet *is* excellent for, is to help the few who still don't have 
or don't want internet access, in which case there's always someone who's
willing to help.

Not everything's on internet of course, and not everything that is on is
easy to gain access to sometimes. My main interest in the radio sphere
these days is the collection and restoration of vintage valve radios.

I use an excellent internet forum - the UK Vintage Radio Restoration 
and Repair Discussion Group. It's moderated, and whilst you can read
messages, to post a message such as a help request, you need to register
and get a password.

I needed a circuit for a 1956 Grundig radio that I'm about to restore.
Usually a request on that forum brings instant results, be it for a rare
valve, advice on fault tracing, circuits, manuals, sources of spares, etc.
But not this time - I drew a blank.

The only way I could get a copy of the circuit was via a German Radio
Museum discussion group, and only then by registering, which was quite a
rigmarole. I had to submit a paper to prove I was a genuine restorer, not
just anyone trying to gain access to the forum to be a nuisance.

I had to write about restorations I'd completed, problems I'd encountered,
radios in my collection, why I wanted to join the group, what I could
contribute, and my qualifications (amateur radio licence etc).

I had to provide my name and address and to make sure I wasn't bogus, my
password came by surface mail - not on internet. Unless I post a minimum
number of messages to the forum, my membership will cease. You can't just
be passive like you can on packet.

I've now downloaded my circuit from the site - I'd have been totally
stumped without it.

So, to see whether or not packet can achieve what internet can't, here's 
a little challenge: Can anyone on here find a copy of a circuit or manual
for a Grundig 3090WF-3D/56 radio? (Not that I need one now).

I may have to eat my words, but meanwhile, I'm not holding my breath!

Quote of the day:

                     "Internet"

"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce
the complete works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know
that is not true".  (Robert Wilensky, speech at a 1996 conference).



73 - David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR

British Vintage Wireless Society Member
G-QRP Club Member, No: 1339

QTH: Cottingham, East Yorkshire.

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