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K0CQ   > COILS    16.09.05 19:46l 27 Lines 1063 Bytes #-6956 (0) @ WW
BID : 13112_W0AK
Read: GUEST DL1LCA OE7FMI
Subj: Re: Pile wound coil problem.
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From: K0CQ@W0AK.#CIA.IA.USA.NOAM
To  : COILS@WW

Check the self capacitance of the coil. Likely its a lot more  in 
the  multilayered  coil  than the single layered  coil  and  that 
changes the apparent inductance.

That internal distributed capacitance can cause parts of the coil 
to  resonate  below  your  measuring  frequency  and  to   really 
complicate what you wish to be a simple coil.

Check the C it takes to resonate the coil at a low frequency, say 
10  KHz, then check the C it takes at twice that  low  frequency. 
You may see a difference from the factor of 4 C change it  should 
take if the coil wasn't contributing C. There is a formula in the 
Boonton Q meter manual (which isn't turning up at the moment)  to 
compute  the  self  capacitance  of  the  coil  from  those   two 
measurements.  You can do it graphically too by knowing the  pure 
inductance would take 4 times the C to tune at the low  frequency 
compared  to  the high frequency when the two frequencies  are  a 
factor of 2 in ratio.

73, Jerry, K0CQ @ W0AK.#CIA.IA.USA




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