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G4XNH > TECH 21.02.04 14:59l 155 Lines 8275 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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From: G4XNH@GB7YKS.#19.GBR.EU
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VK3ABK wrote:-
> Jeff mentions Australia and invites an 'Australian' comment from "thoseon
> the ground" and "at ground zero". Emotive references, and difficult to do
> justiceto.Maybe we can get an eyewitness account andaccurate information.
> I have strong and conflicting views on some ofthe words and meaning inthe
> bulletin, but I will just make some general suggestions.
I do too.
> I think both Jeff and Andy should consider the 'vast' areas of the states
> in the USA where the atomic tests and the other activity (motionpicture?)
> took place. The same applies to Australia; something that is likely to be
> forgotten by people in the UK. There is a lot of space and I have notseen
> more than a UK size bit of the country. Nor am I likely to.
Just because Oz (And other locations) is (Are) some considerable distance
from my location, and are places that I shall likely never visit unless I
win the pools (I do not do that, or the Lottery, so that is unlikely) that
does not mean that my sympathy nerve is not severely touched. Far from it.
Oz is not "forgotten" by myself certainly. I have and I do consider it.
Like many, America has large "dumping grounds" of all kinds, some of
which, if reports can be believed, and I see no reason to not believe
them, have\had (?) highly toxic liquid leaking out of barrels and
allegedly in danger of reaching the water table which could have grave
consequences. Pictures appeared to support that scenario as did the
(Publicly screened) report seen by myself several years ago. The amount of
stored nuclear devices and waste is another thing. It is not just there
either.
In England we were told some time ago that vast tunnels (?) underneath the
ICI complex south of here (Stockton?) was going to be used as an
underground storage "facility" (A good word for a waste Dump) for
"Japanese nuclear waste". I have neither seen nor heard anything about
that since. Although protestations were made and the plans shelved I
think, who know what happened eventually. I do not. Such Dumps occurred in
"deserted parts" of Africa according to the same watchdog style programme.
Some of this this leaked into the river due to land erosion etc. and
contaminated the river. hence also the fish, etc. and villagers living
near the river ended up with problems. Cleanups had to be paid for and
fines levied for such dangerous dumping according to the programme.
I have seen other programmes showing Nuclear testing down there in the
Antipodes. Not sure exactly where, but MANY soldiers and sailors were
apparently used as "watchers" (I think that was a euphimism for guinea
pigs myself though how any Government could such a thing is questionable.
It has been done before though). However, one must believe that the
governments concerned do their their utmost to ensure the safety of all
concerned. After all, they have to live on this planet too.
If my friend in the Royal Navy said he saw it then he saw it. Where it was
exactly, I do not know and I can not ask. It is apparant that such tests
would not be conducted close to "civilisation". FAR from it, so no-one
unauthorised can see what is happening. Public opinion becomes less
knowledgable too although today one has different rules on such things.
Safety being paramount.
I have seen and read too much to believe everything that I read however.
Cannon fodder regularly springs to mind in many scenraios. Safety has to
be paramount and seen to be too. Too many "human problems" have and do
cause "accidents". My dad always used to say that there was no such thing
as an "accident". SOMETHING or someone caused it. Much of the time, this
has proven to be true. Three mile island and Chernobyl to name but two.
Many "lesser" problems occur. However, wherever it is or was, I would not
like to live nearby and even here we are not safe.
Chernobyl still rings deep and true around here particularly, as the cloud
is SAID to have passed to the north and south of Newcastle. Yes, sure it
did. I believe that entirely. Don't you? Not hardly. The Laplanders were
said to have lost entire herds of reindeer and those living close to
Chernobyl, many STILL there in some cases, importing their home-grown
"irradiated" produce to Moscow according to one programme, possibly the
same one. I am not scare-mongering, merely repeating what is known of
these things and thought about quite deeply. There is nothing we can do in
the main except try to ensure that worse never happens.
> This and other 'tales' have made the testing of atomic devices sound > deadly.
The hand "x-rays" I can not comment on, only repeat. Let's face it, these
tests and what they entail aren't exactly 100% safe are they! Underground
or not.
It is said by some that our scientists will eventually destroy the entire
human race. Oppenheimer may well have shortened that time span in my
opinion. However, if it had not been him, it would have been someone else.
> The French have successfully tested, and equally successfully used the
> results to now get about 80% of their power from atomic generation. Where > are the 'casualties from
their program?
Does Rainbow Warrior, the Greenpeace ship count here? Or the aborigines?
Or the Islanders who were (Allegedly) caught in the blast\cloud because
they were out fishing at the time and were not reached? Don't they count
too? It is easy to say that they use it succesfully. So have a lot of
others. They have done successful testing too. At what cost though. We
could say that about Sellafield\Winscale too. Such a bad scenario that,
like the Holy Inquistion, (Which still exists, but under another
pseudonym, "The Holy Office for the Propogation of the Faith" or similar)
they changed their name because of the bad PR.
If you know much about that site then you might not be so confident or
have such a supportive view. I MAY be safe 80 miles from it, but I do not
FEEL safe at all. Rightly or wrongly, people have strong emotions about
it. And that is NOT ignorant fear, but a point of view based on knowledge
of disasters on many locations.
Ssome time ago, they were going to build an underground "facility"
(Dumping ground) near Carlisle on the west coast of NE England. This is
some 80 miles to the west of my location. "Impossible to penetrate here
with such solid mountainous region" was one "informed" comment. Then a
(Rare) earthquake occurred which apparently cracked the area somewhat.
Plans were shelved rather quickly as I understand it. We must ALWAYS be
safe.
My attitude to science and engineering, AND progress are fine and fairly
positive on the whole thank you. Perhaps you are connected with the
industry in some way and therefore possibly have more of an interest in
such things than I? It is apparent that you have a lot more confidence
than I in its efficacy and safety. Well-founded or not, I am not.
If I am ignorant of some important aspects of Nuclear testing or safety
then fine, I apologise for my ignorance in advance. Teach me where I am
wrong. I shall accept it gracefully. I imagine the scientists who died at
Chernobyl (And are probably still dying) won't feel too safe though. Their
working conditions are such that death is a regular occurrence.
Photographs on the walls apparently increase with monotonous regularity
according to one documentary. Man-made "accident". According to the
reports shown, they were tesing the water system and turned it off and had
problems turning it back on again. Whatever the cause, the result was
rather "unsafe" to say the kleast. Sadly, it is often the case that safety
standards are compromised by human beings. As I said, personally, I would
be much happier with an ugly windmill and wave machines by the score even
if my PC and lights did not work properly.
In finishing, I have to say that I must beieve that the governments of all
concerned, and the companies which work in this area, no doubt do all that
they can, in the best way that they can, to ensure the safety of not just
their employees, but the general public too. Regards.
73 - Jeff, G4XNH @ GB7YKS
Brightraven94@Hotmail.com
Interests. Historical research, dowsing and reading.
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