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TCP-Group Digest Wed, 21 May 97 Volume 97 : Issue 54
Today's Topics:
Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap... (10 msgs)
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:46:21 -0400
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@WestLab.com>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
This guy's the kind of stiff-brained scum that is destroying HAM radio.
He'll have it EXACTLY his way, until he finally loses the last band.
Who is the real parasite here?
"re-read as necessary"
Jim
> ----------
> From: Charles Brabham[SMTP:n5pvl@texoma.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 3:44 PM
> To: Raul Miller; Charles Brabham
> Cc: tcpgroup@ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
>
>
> According to: Raul Miller <rdm@test.legislate.com>
>
> >
> > On May 17, Charles Brabham wrote
>
> > > Deprived of it's hosts, amateur tcp/ip would do as any other
> parasite
> > > would under those circumstances.. It would wither up and quickly
> die.
> >
> > Alternatively, without connectivity tcp/ip is worthless...
>
> No, not alternatively; - EXACTLY. -- Try reading the above paragraph
> AGAIN... Get it this time?
>
> My point was that Amateur Packet Radio has provided it's own,
> independent
> Radio-based global connectivity. It serves as amateur TCP/IP's "host",
> so
> it would behoove amateur TCP/IP devotees to stop trying to destroy the
> packet net. A more clever attitude would be one of cooperation and
> mutual
> support, not "Them or Us". Amateur TCP/IP will lose heavily in a "Them
> or
> Us" against Amateur Radio.
> In other words, you folks need to learn to be less obtrusive
> parasites.
> Remember that the bug who bites too hard gets slapped.
>
> > I think you're spending too much effort on imagery and not enough
> > on substance.
>
> I think a better command of English would help you to avoid such
> confusion.
>
> The substance was there, but I don't write for the "lowest common
> denominator", so it may not have been readily apparent to you. When in
> doubt, re-read as needed.
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
> E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
> WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
>
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:10:43 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
According to: Jim De Arras <jmd@WestLab.com>
>
> This guy's the kind of stiff-brained scum that is destroying HAM radio.
> He'll have it EXACTLY his way, until he finally loses the last band.
>
> Who is the real parasite here?
>
> "re-read as necessary"
>
> Jim
I see that Jim has no arguement against any of the points I have made, but
still he didn't like what he heard so we have this "personality attack"..
Is widdle Jim INSECURE ?
Haw Hawr!
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:19:43 -0400
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@WestLab.com>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
"Widdle Jim" does not need to feel superior to the likes of you for his
security. I know all about you. Unlike you, I do not feel I must be a
"PEST" to further HAM radio.
And I suspose you feel personal attacks are ok, unless directed to you?
What might that say about your "security"?
Jim
> ----------
> From: Charles Brabham[SMTP:n5pvl@texoma.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 9:10 AM
> To: Jim De Arras; Raul Miller; 'Charles Brabham'
> Cc: tcpgroup@ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
>
>
>
> According to: Jim De Arras <jmd@WestLab.com>
>
> >
> > This guy's the kind of stiff-brained scum that is destroying HAM
> radio.
> > He'll have it EXACTLY his way, until he finally loses the last band.
> >
> > Who is the real parasite here?
> >
> > "re-read as necessary"
> >
> > Jim
>
> I see that Jim has no arguement against any of the points I have made,
> but
> still he didn't like what he heard so we have this "personality
> attack"..
>
> Is widdle Jim INSECURE ?
>
> Haw Hawr!
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
> E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
> WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:43:31 GMT
From: brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
Gentlemen,
This debate is not productive.
This mailing list is intended to support the advancement of amateur
radio networking, with particular emphasis on the TCP/IP protocols, not
for arguments as to whether that's good or not. We think it is. We
believe we're right, and we are encouraged by the number of people who
agree with us.
May I cordially suggest that we radio/computer-weenies would like you
to take the argument elsewhere.
We will bury you.
Thank you.
- Brian
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:53:27 -0500
From: Kurt Freiberger <kurt@cs.tamu.edu>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
Charles Blabham sez:
>
> I see that Jim has no arguement against any of the points I have made, but
> still he didn't like what he heard so we have this "personality attack"..
>
> Is widdle Jim INSECURE ?
>
> Haw Hawr!
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
> Packet Radio : N5PVL@N5PVL.#NTX.TX.USA.NA
> E-Mail : n5pvl@texoma.com
> WWW : http://www.texoma.com/~n5pvl
>
>
Gawd, when did Burt Fisher move to Texas????
kf
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:27:27 -0500
From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
Subject: Fw: Benefits of AX.25 encap...
According to: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au>
> Charles Brabham wrote:
>
> > In effect, there IS NO amateur tcp/ip "network".. Just a series of
> > isolated, insulated LANS with NO amateur tcp/ip generated
connectivity..
> > That is, other networks such as the Internet must provide a simulation
of
> > connectivity which doesn't exist in reality.
>
> Charles,
> As much as I hate to perpetuate this fairly pointless and very wasteful
To be continued in digest: tcp_97_54B
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