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catastrophic forecast, with WIRE instead of RADIO? Pse, explain...
>TCP/IP works beautifully with radio. Go argue with all the real networks
>that use it so wonderfully. TCP/IP doesnt work well at 1200 baud, and
>I don't generally use it at 1200 baud either - however I'd also argue its
>a case simply that TCP/IP works more badly than AX.25. AX.25 does not
>work well on 1200 baud. DAMA and FLEXNET are valiant attempts to correct
Wrong! AX.25 works fine on 1200 bps. It's good! But, it is NOT good when
on the local network is active the whole packet community in the same time.
That case you offer more than one users' port at the local node, implement
2400, 4800, 9600 etc. I can't see what tcpip may help to solve this "problem".
>TCP/IP or some similar protocol is a neccessary high level protocol for
>a future amateur packet network that works well and scales. AX.25 is an
>interesting demonstration of how far you can warp a crude landline
>error recovery protocol to other purposes but it doesn't scale.
I really can't see how tcpip, dedicated for wired networks, would become
neccessary protocol for a "future amateur packet" *RADIO* network. For an
wired amateur network, it might be...
>You should join the RSGB committee its folks like you that are responsible
>for its exponential decline in membership.
How you can blame a ham voting for using RADIO to be responsible for this
decline??? Are you mad??
>Alan (ex radio amateur, not ex radio networking amateur...)
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ??????????
>From: "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@texoma.net>
>Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
>
>I was editor of that issue of the TPRS Q-Report. I'll send a copy of Greg's
>article to anyone who is interested in seeing his alleged "reasoning".
Please, send this text to me via packet or email.
>"We'll put a radio on either end of an Internet link, and pretend it's
>'advanced amateur packet radio networking', even though it's really not
>amateur packet radio at all".
>"It's just temporary, until the megabaud RF network suddely springs up on
>it's own, without my help or participation in it's development because I'll
>be using the telephone. It's cheaper. It's faster, ect...".
Perfectly right, but from a "radio"-newsgroup position. You missunderstood
this particular newsgroup. Here is more likely to handle tcpip regardless
wired or non-wired in practise.
>There are many applications for packet/internet gateways which do not set
>back our progress with the RF net by moving amateur traffic over the
>Internet, "routing around" existing RF links, slow though they may
>currently be. Gateways can greatly enhance the operation of the RF net as
>simple interfaces between the Internet and ham networks. Obviously both
>Internet and Packet would benefit from such an exchange, and I'd be glad to
>assist any efforts along those lines. There are endless possibilities.
Very well said. It'll be nice to see similar opinions from non-radio
dedicated folks.
>Using gateways to move amateur radio traffic has proved to be a disasterous
>mistake though, and this practice should be limited or stopped altogether
>while we still have an amateur packet radio RF digital network to improve.
You have right, i.e. moving amateur radio TRAFFIC should remain on RADIO
waves. But, I support using all WIRED capabilities in order to help and
improve amateur RADIO network, as I mentioned above.
Misko YT7MPB@YU7APV.SRB.YUG.EU (HF sysop)
YT7MPB@YU7A.SRB.YUG.EU (VHF sysop)
Secretary of YU7 ham radio unions
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