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TCP-Group Digest Sat, 5 Apr 97 Volume 97 : Issue 30
Today's Topics:
2000's Amateur radio (was:Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation)
Happy birthday tcp-group (4 msgs)
TCP-Group Digest V97 #29
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 97 08:08:53 DST
From: "Demetre Ch. Valaris" <sv1uy@nest.sv1uy.ampr.org>
Subject: 2000's Amateur radio (was:Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation)
Hey guys,
I wish you would not answer to trolls. His motives are obvious.
So I think we are all wasting our time answering back to a person
who all he is capable of doing, is just stir things up and nothing
else.
Bla bla bla about supporting NETROM BARONS and PACKET KINGS
who are frightened in case they lose their customers, is not going
to stop amateur radio from it's natural evolution.
I will say no more.
73 from Demetre - SV1UY - IP coordinator of AMPRnet in Greece
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:51:41 -0700
From: Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>
Subject: Happy birthday tcp-group
Oh boy... this is going to make me feel old, but here I go, anyway...
In article <334400FC.93E@ibm.net> you wrote:
:
: The first step was made by Phil with it's NOS in ?1987.
Not that it matters to the rest of your note, but tcp-group predates the
ucsd.edu archives by a year or two. If I remember correctly, Phil started
the list after the first meeting of MAPRC where Bob Hoffman, Mike Chepponis,
Phil Karn, and I got snowed in and shared a couple of adjoining motel rooms
for the night. I think the list exploder was on thumper.bellcore.com
initially. Tom Clark could probably quote the date of that meeting, I would
have to dig deep in the dusty piles...
I don't recall the exact sequence of events that caused the list to move to
UCSD, nor do I recall the exact sequence of events wherein Brian took over
from
Wally Linstruth as the contact point for network 44... it was all a long time
ago, and Brian's done an excellant job of maintaining the bits and pieces for
more than a decade... several lifetimes in "Internet years"!
And KA9Q's code wasn't always called "NOS". It was just net.exe... I know a
lot about the pre-NOS version, since I documented, packaged, and distributed
the code for Phil. I even have the linux box in the shack named "hipshack"
for nostalgic reasons... The name NOS came into use in 1988 with the last
release of the pre-NOS version of NET happening at Dayton 1989... ergo the
890421.1 version number. As an aside, the ".1" happened in the middle of the
night just before TAPR started selling floppies of the new release, when John
Conner and I discovered an ugly EOL bug and sat up most of the night rewriting
all the floppies to have the fix. The name "NOS" referred to the "new
operating system" Phil stuck into the code replacing the original I/O-driven,
all-upcall guts of net.exe.
Maybe once P3D makes orbit I'll find time to contact all the friends (and
enemies! :-) from the early days of tcp-group and the "holy protocol wars"
and write up an early history of TCP on amateur packet radio... a lot of folks
who made significant contributions aren't likely to get remembered, otherwise.
Would anyone read it, if I did?
73 - Bdale, N3EUA
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:50:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Bob Hoffman <hoffman@cs.pitt.edu>
Subject: Happy birthday tcp-group
> Oh boy... this is going to make me feel old, but here I go, anyway...
Welcome to the club, sonny!
> If I remember correctly, Phil started
> the list after the first meeting of MAPRC where Bob Hoffman, Mike Chepponis,
> Phil Karn, and I got snowed in and shared a couple of adjoining motel rooms
> for the night.
Right! That was in Harrisburg, PA, in either 1986 or 1987. At the 1986 ARRL
Computer Networking Conference in Orlando, FL, we shared another motel suite
and hacked on the Xerox-820 version of NET. I remember that Ted Huf, K4NTA,
took his BBS off the air to loan the 820 to us for the conference. Thanks,
Ted! Bdale also had his Symmetrix 375 at that conference, probably the first
portable Unix system.
> Maybe once P3D makes orbit I'll find time to contact all the friends (and
> enemies! :-) from the early days of tcp-group and the "holy protocol wars"
> and write up an early history of TCP on amateur packet radio... a lot of
folks
> who made significant contributions aren't likely to get remembered,
otherwise.
> Would anyone read it, if I did?
I would! Just to read my own name, of course! :-)
Narcissistically, yours,
---Bob
--
Bob Hoffman, N3CVL University of Pittsburgh Tel: +1 412 624
8490
hoffman@cs.pitt.edu Department of Computer Science Fax: +1 412 624
8854
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:13:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Phil Karn <karn@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Happy birthday tcp-group
>ucsd.edu archives by a year or two. If I remember correctly, Phil started
>the list after the first meeting of MAPRC where Bob Hoffman, Mike Chepponis,
>Phil Karn, and I got snowed in and shared a couple of adjoining motel rooms
>for the night. I think the list exploder was on thumper.bellcore.com
>initially. Tom Clark could probably quote the date of that meeting, I would
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