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>by selling 1200 baud AX.25 TNCs (the horse and buggy of the digital world)
>yet am not opposing the changes which are occuring (which are likely
>inevitable anyway.)
>
>Gwyn Reedy, W1BEL
>PacComm Packet Radio Systems
>
>gwyn@paccomm.com
>http://www.paccomm.com
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>From: Doug Crompton[SMTP:wa3dsp@marconi.crompton.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 7:14 PM
>To: Brian Kantor
>Cc: gateways-l@lava.net; tcp-group@ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
>
> TEXT DELETED
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>I hope that is true but I suspect it will be for another reason. They
>(gateways) may decrease because at some point every home will have
>internet access like they have phones today. So why bother with a radio.
>
>I see where ATT is proposing PCS boxes at every home allowing you to rove
>anywhere with your phone. They are speculating a $10/month charge for
>this go anywhere phone. This bypasses the baby bells and their antiquated
>copper. Time frame 2 years.
>
>I guess the argument of 'HAMS' being in the forefront of technology was
>once true. At the rate of advance at the moment I kinda doubt it. Not
>saying I like. So in a few years when nearly every home is PCS wired for
>voice and data, technology that is in the lab today, what will the hams
>have to do?
>
>Doug
>
>
>
Gwyn,
I suppose the only thing more inevitable than change is change itself.
Like you , I make a living out of selling packet gear (and ham gear
generally). Packet sales, like all other ham gear sales, are well down in
the last year or two. Some of the overall decline could have been arrested
if amateurs were still technical animals. But as amateur radio is no longer
a technical hobby but a communications hobby then those of us with a
technical interest need to accept what is happening.
IMHO we are not going to see amateurs forming co-operative efforts to
develop new technology on a large scale as we have seen in the past. If one
or two of us come up with something new and exciting and pacakage it in a
ready to use black box for $299 then the masses will buy it! Otherwise we
might as well climb back into our own little boxes and let the world get on
with change.
Sadly much of the mystery and mystique of amateur radio has gone. I will
still spend my time designing things to use on the amateur bands, as long
as we have amateur bands. But what pull does amateur radio have for the
teenager of today? The excitement of contesting (really it is multi-user
game playing on a world wide basis with some natual phenomena thrown in for
added thrills!)? The thrill of QRP, the satisfaction of home brewing? Sure,
we are go ing to attract them away from the Internet and all their other
pursuits with these small satisfactions!
Like you I am sure that hams will always find something to do and someone
to do it with, but the ham radio of the 21st century will be a very
different animal to the one you and I grew up with!
John Day VK3ZJF
Daycom Communiactions, Australia
http://www.daycom.com.au
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:04:01 PST
From: wj3g@juno.com (Wilson G. Hein)
Subject: Final reply to Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
People,
It is quite obvious to me that Charles Brabham N5PVT should never have
replied to Terry Dawson's original message in the first place. He showed
no facts or figures to prove his point. In fact the only self serving
thing he did was create a lot of negative noise on at least this list.
The only thing I heard was his opinion, which I'm use was of little, or
no help to the sender.
In fact what sparked my interest to the internet, was the inclusion
(limited as it was/is) of the tcp/ip protocols, of at the time of MSYS.
I then read about and asked questions where I could, and which I do yet
today. What did I find? I found something that I could do other then
host store and forwarding of mostly useless messages. I figured there
had to be more out there then just that!
When you think about it, ax25 is nothing more then a way for 2 or more
computers to communicate in a sudo telephone, or should I say serial
manner. I'm sure they all use/d some Bell standards or harware. If
anything that we are guilty of is not persuing it at the same pace that
the telecommunications companies have. And for good reason, they are
capitol driven where we as amateurs are result driven. We also have
limitations placed on us, political, spectrum, hardware, protocols, and
bandwidth, are just a few that come to mind.
I would not be able to begin to say all the benefit that the gateways
provided to radio amateurs in both directions. There are other well more
qualified then I.to speak about them, and it's time they do, loud and
strong! They ware the ones that are at least trying to do something to
keep interested in the hobby. Nore then once I've read discussion about
improving the ax25 link layer, improving error correction, etc. Yhey
have a vision to improve what we have. Not to forget those are
experimenting with simpler hardware like the baypac, sound card modems,
digital signal processing, and spread spectrum technology. In their own
right they would make men like Maxim, Tesla, Marconi, and Faraday be
proud. Just remember those that fear change make the most noise.
73 WJ3G
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:51:26 +1100
From: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Flame-bait ..
Despite the fact that in retrospect it looks like flame-bait
I wasn't intending to generate any public discussion at all.
Sorry to have wasted peoples time/money/bandwidth/diskspace.
Terry
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:07:46 -0500
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