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TCP-Group Digest Thu, 27 Feb 97 Volume 97 : Issue 26
Today's Topics:
Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways. (6 msgs)
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:04:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Kelly L. Fulks" <kelly@kc4rdj.raider.net>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
>
> I didn't intend this to generate a pointless flame war. I thought my
> request was reasonable and inoffensive. For a society that claims to
> be based on civil and social liberty a lot of U.S. hams seem hell bent
> on restricting the rights of others.
>
> Terry
>
Terry,
Please don't group us all together. Unfortunately there are many like
Charles, that want amateur radio to be "their playground", and want
to keep the "unwashed" out of it. There are still hams over here that
are fighting the same battles that you are fighting.
I run the local PBBS in my area, it is radio access only for users.
It lives on my local network for administrative purposes, and I
provide a few services from over the internet, such as callserver
and weather from the national weather service. I also used to be
the sysop of the local gateway (located at the local university). I
get more calls from hams when the weather, callserver, or gateway
are down now than if there are no bulletins coming into the system.
Most of the local hams have realized that the content of most of the
bulletins has fallen to this same type of stuff.
The local gateway has around 100 users as does the PBBS. As I watch
the statistics on the bulletins that are read, I see that most of them
only read the local bulletins and an occassional broader distribution
bulletin if it really interests them. Seems to have nothing to do
with RF/LandLine, just content. The content level has fallen and
therefore interest has fallen.
--
Kelly L. Fulks INTERNET kelly@kc4rdj.raider.net
JobSoft Design and Development, Inc. klf@jobsoft.com
118 S Maple St. AMPRNET kc4rdj@kc4rdj.ampr.org.
Murfreesboro, TN 37130 AMATEUR kc4rdj@kc4rdj.#hot.tn.usa.noam
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:09:15 -0500
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@cube.WestLab.com>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
In theory, the gateways would seem to slow growth of the rf network, but
in practice, at least around here, the gateways are the prime motivators
in getting the average ham to use Packet Radio.
If you fight that trend, you will only reduce the population using
packet, which will have the effect after time of eroding the rf network
further.
IMHO, of course. If that makes you want to call me names, so be it.
Jim
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:25:42 -0700 (MST)
From: "Steven R. Martin" <stevem@rt66.com>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Doug Crompton wrote:
> I guess the argument of 'HAMS' being in the forefront of technology was
> once true. At the rate of advance at the moment I kinda doubt it. Not
> saying I like. So in a few years when nearly every home is PCS wired for
> voice and data, technology that is in the lab today, what will the hams
> have to do?
>
> Doug
>
... Field Day contest, running CW only, QRP!!
-------
Steve Martin, NR7P
stevem@rt66.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:28:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Dana H. Myers" <myers@bigboy.West.Sun.COM>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
Charles, N5VPL, obviously drinking too much coffee, wrote:
> When I see "experimentors" make a worthwhile contribution to the amateur
> radio network, I'll be impressed.
> Most of the current crop are no better than Greg Jones of TAPR, who wants
> to turn amateur packet radio into a parasitic infestation of the Internet,
> or Phil Karn who says that all that has been accomplished by hams with
> amateur packet radio is "a waste of spectrum". We don't need people like
> that in amateur packet radio. We need people who care about amateur radio
> and their fellow hams. We need people who are impressed with what can be
> done WITH RADIOS, not with what the commercial telecommunications outfits
> can offer.
Oh I know!! That blasted Phil Karn, who is he anyway?
Charles is sure generating a lot of traffic on the otherwise quiet tcp-group,
but he's destroying the normally good S/N ratio in the process.
Dana K6JQ
Dana@Source.Net
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:17:30 +0100
From: Joerg Reuter <jreuter@lykos.oche.de>
Subject: Benefits of AMPR IP encapsulation gateways.
> (The adaptation of point-to-point
> LAPB to a multipoint, collision domain RF environment is truly an inspired
> April Fool's prank.)
The last time I´ve said something like that I got some angry replies
("barbecued ham", um, flamed at least) though I had put it into some
more friendly words. On the other hand it is remarkable how relativly
well the thing can work. But I´m bored with today´s packet radio.
If we would at least use a protocol developed for radio. Phil´s
paper on FEC and his Viterbi decoder implementation would be a good start...
73,
Joerg Reuter ampr-net: dl1bke@db0pra.ampr.org
AX-25 : DL1BKE @ DB0ACH.#NRW.DEU.EU
Internet: jreuter@lykos.oche.de
I used to be a werewolf but I'm better now--ooooooooow! ;-)
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:51:44 +0100
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