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they change DAILY.
So what we're doing is continuing for a while to use encapsulated
routing (aka "tunnelling") where packets destined for any piece of
network 44 are routed to 44.0.0.1, and then encapsulated and shipped
onward to the appropriate gateway.
People can bypass this, of course, simply by installing "shortcut"
routes in their local region of the net. They just shouldn't advertise
those shortcut routes to the internet "core" to avoid confusing
things.
>> The technology exists now to make mirrorshades either obsolete,
>> or just a transition system for legacy systems. The technology
>> has existed for years. The core internet routers support classless
>> routing, as do a lot of ISPs and other networks.
Yes, but in reading this, I begin to believe we've lost sight of a goal.
The goal of the AMPRNet has been to create as well-connected a network
as we can. That means well-connected internally - i.e., can packets
get from one place to another via amateur radio, as much as possible
without the use of telephone lines, internet, or the like.
The goal isn't to create nifty radio gateways so that local hams can use
them as a radio-based ISP to get on the Internet - the goal is to build
a network. In a very large sense, the internet connectivity we have is
more-or-less a side issue of the radio network research.
I'm still happy to operate the encapsulating router that keeps the
pieces of net 44 talking to each other, and I don't mind people using
it to get traffic from the rest of the internet to network 44.
But really, if what you want to do is become a ham radio ISP in your area
is get yourself a block of non-44 addresses, have them CIDR routed to the
core with your station as the gateway, and become a ham-internet provider.
I'm sure your ISP will oblige.
>I thought it was a legality issue not a technical one.
Management of your transmitter and the content of what it issues is
always your responsibility. You can't delegate it just because the
incoming connection had a source address on network 44.
I hope this clarifies some part of the issues.
- Brian
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 15:07:15 EDT
From: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org (Tom Saluti (N1KIO))
Subject: That Mag Advertisement
Hey guys, some of the people who recieve this get it over Ham radio.
I thought stuff like that junk was filtered out .
73 from Tom
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บ SNAIL MAIL: Tom Saluti 38 Royal Crest บ
บ Rochester, New Hampshire 03867 บ
บ AX.25: N1KIO @ WZ1F.#ENH.NH.USA.NOAM บ
บ AMPRnet: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
บ INTERNET: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
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From the Rube Goldberg School of Computer Engineering
and Software Design
Our Motto: If it is simple, it ain't ours !
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 15:07:15 EDT
From: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org (Tom Saluti (N1KIO))
Subject: That Mag Advertisement
Hey guys, some of the people who recieve this get it over Ham radio.
I thought stuff like that junk was filtered out .
73 from Tom
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บ SNAIL MAIL: Tom Saluti 38 Royal Crest บ
บ Rochester, New Hampshire 03867 บ
บ AX.25: N1KIO @ WZ1F.#ENH.NH.USA.NOAM บ
บ AMPRnet: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
บ INTERNET: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
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From the Rube Goldberg School of Computer Engineering
and Software Design
Our Motto: If it is simple, it ain't ours !
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:10:03 -0600
From: "Steve Sampson" <ssampson@oklahoma.net>
Subject: That Mag Advertisement
Hey Tom, do you ever read any of Brians messages?
He just said the other day, that he has no control over republishing
this distribution over Ham radio. Something to the effect that,
the person dumping this onto Ham radio is responsible.
Complain to your Ham gateway. Tell them to do a better job,
and to make your life as easy as possible. Refuse to send them
any money, tell everyone he's a lazy no good son of a bitch, etc.
That way you won't have to see this distribution anymore.
Or, better yet, you can do the filtering...
73, Steve
P.S. Rule 39 of Miss Manners says: "Your signature block should
be smaller than your message."
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> From: Tom Saluti (N1KIO) <n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org>
> To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
> Subject: RE: That Mag Advertisement
> Date: Saturday, November 23, 1996 1:07 PM
>
> Hey guys, some of the people who recieve this get it over Ham radio.
> I thought stuff like that junk was filtered out .
> 73 from Tom
> ษออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออหอออออออออออออออออออออออป
> ฬออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออสอออออออออออออออออออออออน
> บ SNAIL MAIL: Tom Saluti 38 Royal Crest บ
> บ Rochester, New Hampshire 03867 บ
> บ AX.25: N1KIO @ WZ1F.#ENH.NH.USA.NOAM บ
> บ AMPRnet: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
> บ INTERNET: n1kio@gw.n1kio.ampr.org [44.52.1.1] บ
> ศออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออผ
> From the Rube Goldberg School of Computer Engineering
> and Software Design
> Our Motto: If it is simple, it ain't ours !
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