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Some people say the answer is a Windows 95 or NT based systems
(they probably think it'll be easier to get working). I think
it's more productive to make an easy to install Linux boot floppy
amateur radio router, than write new code for Windows (although I
think that will eventually get written or ported. Maybe with the
Solaris Streams code that's been discuessed here. NT has streams)
If an http configuration server is too many bells and whistles
(but Apache httpd isn't even that big: 90KB), there are still other
programs useful on a router that take up disk space:
- gated is big (300K?) (needed for OSPF, RIP, RIP2 at least)
- tcpdump (140K), kermit (350K), pppd, Secure shell ssh and sshd (300K)
- snmpd, snmptrapd, syslogd, inetd, xntpd
- bootpd or dhcpd, dhcp or bootp client, bootp relay agent
- ftp/ftpd, tftp/tfpd, telnet/telnetd etc.
>
> Terry
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 09:12:06 +1000
From: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au>
Subject: TCP-Group Digest V96 #175
John Paul Morrison wrote:
> For one thing: an http server with config files/scripts to
> setup the router. Cisco IOS 11.x has a built in web server -
> they added it because of the demand for a better user interface
> on their low end routers. Other companies like Ascend are adding
> pretty interfaces as well (not necessarily web based). I hear lots
> of people say how difficult Unix is to setup (and for an end user,
> it's even more complicated to setup the networking).
Ok, fair enough, I'm not into bells and whistles and I personally
think the idea of routers supporting web servers is attrocious.
If the network administrators can't even configure their routers
without a graphical front end then what sort of networks are they
going to manage ?
> - gated is big (300K?) (needed for OSPF, RIP, RIP2 at least)
> - tcpdump (140K), kermit (350K), pppd, Secure shell ssh and sshd (300K)
> - snmpd, snmptrapd, syslogd, inetd, xntpd
> - bootpd or dhcpd, dhcp or bootp client, bootp relay agent
> - ftp/ftpd, tftp/tfpd, telnet/telnetd etc.
Heh, clearly you and I have different ideas on what an amateur
packet router should be doing. I have a penchant for functional
minimalism, so I wouldn't even consider half of the things you
are suggesting. I was more thinking of a custom tailored system
not a swiss army knife.
I'll be interested to see how you tackle the problem.
Terry
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:48:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: jmorriso@bogomips.com (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: TCP-Group Digest V96 #175
>
> John Paul Morrison wrote:
>
> > For one thing: an http server with config files/scripts to
> > setup the router. Cisco IOS 11.x has a built in web server -
> > they added it because of the demand for a better user interface
> > on their low end routers. Other companies like Ascend are adding
> > pretty interfaces as well (not necessarily web based). I hear lots
> > of people say how difficult Unix is to setup (and for an end user,
> > it's even more complicated to setup the networking).
>
> Ok, fair enough, I'm not into bells and whistles and I personally
> think the idea of routers supporting web servers is attrocious.
> If the network administrators can't even configure their routers
> without a graphical front end then what sort of networks are they
> going to manage ?
I think Cisco leaves it disabled on the 7000 series :-)
But it's their for the Cisco 1000's and the 750/760s (I think).
These are basically low end routers that are commodity products
like the Ascend boxes. You shouldn't have to be a rocket scientist
to setup a SOHO router.
Anyway, since I don't think much can fit on a single floppy, I think
I'll just have some shell scripts to prompt for user input and save it
back to the floppy.
I think a simple, end user AX.25 router just needs the users callsign
(ideally). Linux can auto detect the PI card for 56kbps and the
ethernet cards too. From there the box can bootp or dhcp from the
amateur radio side to get an IP address 44.x.y.z.
To make things fairly idiot proof for non-power-users, the Linux
router can a dhcp server on the ethernet side and give out addresses
in 192.168.X.Y and it can be preconfigured to do IP masquerading
and firewalling.
This should be fairly plug and play:
1. user boots the Linux router
2. user types in callsign
3. bootp off the 56kbps packet radio LAN (maybe 9600 would work).
or type in the address, mask, default gateway and DNS manually
The user then plugs in his Windoze box to the ethernet, DHCP
automagically configures it and the Linux masquerading (network
address translator) lets him use the Windoze box as if it were
directly attached to the 56kbps packet radio LAN.
>
> > - gated is big (300K?) (needed for OSPF, RIP, RIP2 at least)
> > - tcpdump (140K), kermit (350K), pppd, Secure shell ssh and sshd (300K)
> > - snmpd, snmptrapd, syslogd, inetd, xntpd
> > - bootpd or dhcpd, dhcp or bootp client, bootp relay agent
> > - ftp/ftpd, tftp/tfpd, telnet/telnetd etc.
>
> Heh, clearly you and I have different ideas on what an amateur
> packet router should be doing. I have a penchant for functional
> minimalism, so I wouldn't even consider half of the things you
> are suggesting. I was more thinking of a custom tailored system
> not a swiss army knife.
I think that eqivalent functionality belongs in any TCP/IP router, but
I suppose given the constraints it's too much to include on one boot floppy.
>
> I'll be interested to see how you tackle the problem.
>
I've been playing with the Linux compressed-ramdisk (CRAM-disk) and it
looks good. I've got a 1.44MB boot floppy with a 400KB Minix filesystem
on it to store the kernel and some config files, and then a cramdisk image
dd'ed on to the remainder of the floppy.
> Terry
>
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