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BK> I hope to replace our Gracilis PackeTen card with - we've
BK> run out of ports and have to do something.
We're obviously in much closer agreement than I thought, but a reasonable
alternative for harsh environments is to control the environment. Besides,
you
can buy ruggedized PCs off the shelf if you write a big enough check.
Designing for the PC platform is still the most flexible approach.
-- Mike
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 02:37:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: advanced networking
Steve Sampson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
SS> OK, who's got the Linux for a home 386, AX.25, NE2000, 8 meg
SS> router. Put it up on the ftp server. No more than quarterly
SS> updates, we don't need to go on an upgrade ride to hell...
Bruce Perens, bruce@pixar.com, was still working on his "Linux for Hams"
release the last I knew.
-- Mike
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:07:30 -0700
From: "Ron Curry" <recurry@insighttec.com>
Subject: advanced networking
Geez, He's been promising that for over a year. Linux is now to the point
where such a thing is probably not needed.
ROn
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> From: Mike Bilow <mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net>
> To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
> Subject: advanced networking
> Date: Sunday, August 25, 1996 7:37 PM
>
>
>
> Steve Sampson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
>
> SS> OK, who's got the Linux for a home 386, AX.25, NE2000, 8 meg
> SS> router. Put it up on the ftp server. No more than quarterly
> SS> updates, we don't need to go on an upgrade ride to hell...
>
> Bruce Perens, bruce@pixar.com, was still working on his "Linux for Hams"
> release the last I knew.
>
> -- Mike
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:10:33 +1000
From: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au>
Subject: advanced networking
Mike Bilow wrote:
> If we were to build a card that plugged into a standard motherboard and
which
> assumed the availability of a standard Ethernet card, what features would we
> want? Would it be necessary to be able to boot from ROM, eliminating the
disk
> drives and controller? After all, most Ethernet cards have boot ROM
options,
> and it might not be so hard to make something like that work with Linux.
I've successfully built a single 1.44Mb floppy disk that was bootable
that contained enough to boot linux and act as a router with ethernet,
ax25, netrom and ppp support, and supported firewalling, masquerade
etc as well. It requires 4Mb of ram in the machine, but the rest is
easy.
Terry
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:45:40 +1000
From: Terry Dawson <terry@perf.no.itg.telstra.com.au>
Subject: advanced networking
Mike Bilow wrote:
>
> Steve Sampson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
>
> SS> OK, who's got the Linux for a home 386, AX.25, NE2000, 8 meg
> SS> router. Put it up on the ftp server. No more than quarterly
> SS> updates, we don't need to go on an upgrade ride to hell...
>
> Bruce Perens, bruce@pixar.com, was still working on his "Linux for Hams"
> release the last I knew.
If there is sufficient interest I could clean mine up and make it
available, it hadn't occcurred to me there would be much interest
in it so I hadn't bothered.
Terry
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil Karn <karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org>
Subject: DJGPP NOS now available
JPM> Also there's a couple files with DOS-isms that make gcc in
JPM> Unix choke: ie #include <sys\foo.h> instead of <sys/foo.h>.
Thanks for pointing this out. They're in files I didn't write, so I
hadn't noticed it. I've updated the copy on the ftp server.
Phil
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 96 11:06:00 -0000
From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: PPP/SLIP in connected AX25?
Terry Dawson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
TD> I take your point. despite the advantages that ppp offers, it
TD> still seems like overkill. Can you seriously imagine using any
TD> IPX based service via such a connection ? Dare I suggest it is
TD> awful enough on a nice wire based ether network without making
TD> it suffer.
TD> The proof of the pudding is in the eating I suppose.
I certainly did not mean to suggest using IPX over Amprnet! I meant that as
an
example of an added capability of PPP that we would never need. I agree that
IPX is grossly unsuited to WAN use, at least without NLSP. However, I do
think
that it would ne good to keep our options open with PPP instead of SLIP.
TD> Heh. I profess to have been baffled by the proposal too. I'm
TD> pretty sure Phil wasn't intending the stuff to go via radio in
TD> the fashion described though. I interpreted Phils message to be
TD> solving the problem of how to get Win95/Win3.1 users to use
TD> their normal Win based winsock applications and interface them
TD> to NOS without needing to have new software written.
I think that Phil's previous position was "Unix everywhere!" Oddly, the world
seems to be adopting that view, co-opting the traditional strengths of Unix,
particularly by seeing networking as part of the operating system.
-- Mike, N1BEE
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:36:17 +1000 (EST)
From: Carl Makin <cmakin@nla.gov.au>
Subject: PPP/SLIP over AX.25
On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Terry Dawson wrote:
> > Gracilis had the right idea. They missed it by a mark by not including
> > ethernet. Someone should step in and rectify that. No one will until the
> begun probing for alternatives here in Australia. If we have anything
> equivalent I'll certainly be seriously considering not bothering
> renewing my license.
> All I'm looking for is something that will deliver a couple of hundred
> kbps, at low power, that is easy to assemble, even or idiots, using off
> the shelf components. The more I see the efforts of companies to meet
You're not alone Terry. There are a few of us wondering if Wireless Lan
cards and similar arn't a *much* better way to do packet radio. Dammit I
KNOW they are a better way to do it. :-(
If we can help in some way please contact me.
Carl.
--
Carl Makin (VK1KCM) <http://email.nla.gov.au/~cmakin/>
C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!"
'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say...
Talk in your sleep!'
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