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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:35:54 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8
My suggestion would be to use a "directed path" rather than the generic
APRS pathing. To wit,
APRS VIA specificcallsign1,specificcallsign2,specificcallsign3,etc. etc.
This will propagate your beacon along a specific path in the direction
you need to go. You could also modify it for local coverage, i.e.
APRS VIA WIDE2-2,specificcallsign1,specificcallsign2,,etc. etc.
--
73 de Jim, KU0G
Chairman/Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR
First Alert Storm Team KMBC-TV9
Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org
Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org
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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:21:19 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9
I am taking this discussion off the SIG for reasons as to not start a brawl
on the SIG... BTW... The KF4OTN-3 I-Gate is behind 22 inches of
concrete... 80+ feet in the air... and is on generator backup with at least
three weeks of fuel...
Richard, I have some data for you...
Eric
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Subject: Shelby Hamfest
From: wes@johnston.net
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:59:32 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 10
Close in on Shelby Hamfest:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/plot.cgi?call=*&geo=http://www.imscorporation.com/4
kdrdb/shelby2.geo
City of Shelby:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/plot.cgi?call=*&geo=http://www.imscorporation.com/4
kdrdb/shelby1.geo
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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 29 Aug 2003 15:21:51 -0400
X-Message-Number: 11
I truly understand what you are doing. I have just installed a UHF
repeater and antennas for APRS with the same considerations in mind here
in South Florida.
If the closest I-Gate is 100 miles away and you apparently have
resources why not set up your own I-Gate? The cost is minimal if any and
the only thing you may not have is a high speed internet connection, it
is almost a requirement but not a MUST have. All you need is a ISP that
does not mind a 24/7 connection.
You do not need a very high antenna, even an indoor one that is
protected would do just fine as long as it can hear the local wide. If
all the WX stations can make it to the local wide then only 1 hop would
be needed.
Rich
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Subject: Re: Shelby Hamfest
From: "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" <sean@rimboy.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:03:59 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 12
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 wes@johnston.net wrote:
>Close in on Shelby Hamfest:
>http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/plot.cgi?call=*&geo=http://www.imscorporation.comd
/k4rdb/shelby2.geo
>
>City of Shelby:
>http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/plot.cgi?call=*&geo=http://www.imscorporation.comd
/k4rdb/shelby1.geo
I'll be there later tonight running KG4NRC-10. RELAY,WIDE2-2 for those
that must know ;)
Sean...
--
Believing I had supernatural powers, I slammed into a brick wall.
--Paul Simon
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
KG4NRC http://www.rimboy.com Your source for the crap you know you need.
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Subject: Re: Shelby Hamfest
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:54:44 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13
I'll be there tomorrow. I'll be the slightly overweight middle aged guy with
an HT!
Wes
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Subject: Re: Shelby Hamfest
From: "Jason Rausch" <ke4nyv@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:16:4
X-Message-Number: 14
I'll be the younger, weird looking guy hanging out with the slightly
overweight, middle-aged guy with an HT. Oh...and can't forget that younger
really tall weird looking guy Mike :o)
I'll be running a TinyTrak in my backpack like I did last year KE4NYV-10
and a path of RELAY,RELAY,WIDE,WIDE,WIDE,TRACE,WIDE8-8,TRACE8-8!!!!!
:o) Now let me see how many hate emails I get for that little JOKE.
See you tomorrow Wes.
Jason KE4NYV
www.ke4nyv.com
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Subject: Re: Shelby Hamfest
From: "Roy Bost" <rbost@itexas.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:35:20 -0500
X-Message-Number: 15
You forgot to put a couple of GATEs in your path! Shame on you!!!
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Subject: Re: Shelby Hamfest
From: David VanHorn <dvanhorn@cedar.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:47:09 -0500
X-Message-Number: 16
>>I'll be running a TinyTrak in my backpack like I did last year KE4NYV-10
>>and a path of RELAY,RELAY,WIDE,WIDE,WIDE,TRACE,WIDE8-8,TRACE8-8!!!!!
No HF??
Me, I'd go Wide,relay,wide8-8,relay,trace8-8,relay
Maybe conservative at one packet per minute.
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Subject: Shelby Photo
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:48:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17
Ok, one more post about shelby....a photo will be soooo much more usefull
when locating other people!
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/plot.cgi?call=*&geo=http://www.imscorporation.com/4
kdrdb/shelbyphoto.geo
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Subject: Re: Shelby Photo
From: "Scott Miller" <scott@opentrac.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:24:58 -0700
X-Message-Number: 18
I see two houses and a campground in the hamfest area... no giant eyeballs
or islands visiting the hamfest this year?
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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: Gonzales Andy <agonzales@arc.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:34 -0700
X-Message-Number: 19
Why not just setup as a Citizen's Weather station and be done with it ?
--
Andy Gonzales
NASA / Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
Bldg. N-244, Rm. 240
MS 244-19
agonzales@arc.nasa.gov
650-604-0309
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Subject: Re: Online PHGR calculator
From: "Dick Stanich" <dick@kb7zva.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:57:46
X-Message-Number: 20
>Network BlitzCan somebody give the web addresses of the sites that had PHGr
>calculators. I upgraded my computer and didn't keep my bookmarks. Thanks.
Sure. http://phgr.kb7zva.com
Dick, KB7ZVA
APRSWest
http://webserver.kb7zva.com
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Subject: Re: Online PHGR calculator
From: "David Thege" <dthege@conpoint.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:32:33 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
I got the webste url. No longer needed. No need for everyone to keep posting
the url. Thamks
Dave N0XBN
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Subject: "directed path": K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: John <bigjohn45@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:18:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22
At 10:35 AM 8/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
>My suggestion would be to use a "directed path" rather than the generic
>APRS pathing. To wit,
>
>APRS VIA specificcallsign1,specificcallsign2,specificcallsign3,etc. etc.
>
>This will propagate your beacon along a specific path in the direction
>you need to go. You could also modify it for local coverage, i.e.
>
>APRS VIA WIDE2-2,specificcallsign1,specificcallsign2,,etc. etc.
In the stated situation this is a VERY bad idea. If only one link in the
"directed path" fails the whole system dies. This is the idea behind
generic paths.
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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: Richard Garcia <k4gps@bellsouth.net>
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:43:08 -0400
X-Message-Number: 23
Beacause we are hams...
Nothing wrong with the CWOP program and non-hams but if you are a ham
there is no reason you need to do it on internet only, use RF and it
will be available to those on RF and on the Internet. If you go the CWOP
route it is only available on the internet unless someone gate's the
specific stations back to RF.
The same can be said about why do we use radios as hams? We can do
everything else by phone, modem or the internet there is no need for a
radio. Well we use radio because we enjoy it and it is part of the
hobby.
Rich
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 17:51, Gonzales Andy wrote:
>Why not just setup as a Citizen's Weather station and be done with it ?
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Subject: Re: K4OBX is not pleasentville !
From: "Cap Pennell" <cap@cruzio.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:05:59 -0700
X-Message-Number: 24
I bet WIDE2-2 would be sufficient for K4OBX, and still adequate in case of a
digi failure.
Or KB4TOH-10,WIDE1-1
The IGate is hearing you on your first hop, from KB4TOH-10*:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=K4OBX&start=48&length=24
Tell your friends:
http://map.findu.com/k4obx
The issue is "reduced throughput" on VHF APRS networks due to packet
collisions, especially between the digis. To maximize VHF network
efficiency, users must minimize their own consumption of the available
airtime, so many others may share some. This is done by transmitting less
often and/or perhaps using less broad digipaths. Kind of like the amateur
need to use the minimum required effective power.
Hope this helps.
73, Cap KE6AFE
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