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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Tuesday, August 26, 2003.
1. Re: Precision Mapping
2. Re: Path Police Idea
3. Re: Path Police Idea
4. Pleasantville (WAS: Path Police Idea)
5. Re: Pleasantville (WAS: Path Police Idea)
6. BEACON RATES
7. Re: BEACON RATES
8. New fourth.aprs.net
9. APRSd Question
10. Re: Big brother in everyday life, and it's us!
11. Re: Pleasantville (WAS: Path Police Idea)
12. Re: BEACON RATES
13. RE: New fourth.aprs.net
14. Re: New fourth.aprs.net
15. Live Satellite Status page
16. Re: Live Satellite Status page
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Subject: Re: Path Police Idea
From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:54:25 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2
>callsign could come from QRZ.com too...
That's just what we do here in the PNW with our packet counter page.
http://www.jnos.org/nwprs_usage.html
Each day the "winner" gets a polite message -- attached at the bottom of
this note.
I think this is something that should be done locally and based on packets
heard on real RF.
If the stations don't broadcast their Email address in one of the various
message fields, I look for an entry at QRZ.
73,
Bill - WA7NWP
----- Sample message -----
X-Organization: Northwest ARPS SIG http://www.nwaprs.org
Hello BALDI,
This is a friendly message from the APRS packet counting
program currently creating the top packet users page which
can be seen at: http://www.jnos.org/nwprs_usage.html.
Congratulations: You are todays #1 packet winner.
149 packets from BALDI is 3 % of todays total of 3850 packets
If you have been out driving around, seeing the sights and
generating lots of packets from new locations - GREAT!
Keep up the good work! Drive safely!
On the other hand, if you have a home station or a mobile
that hasn't gone anywhere today, please check your
settings and configuration.
An explanation of the Pacific Northwest regions recommendations
may be found at: http://www.nwaprs.org/aprssettings.htm
Our network is a finite resource and it works best for everybody
if we all operate by these recommendations.
If you have questions about this message or the technology
involved, contact my programmer at mailto:wa7nwp@yahoo
73, NWAPRS Packet Program
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Subject: Re: Path Police Idea
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 3
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Sean \The RIMBoy\ wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>
>>Here is a great Programmer project for a Path Policeman that gives
>>feedback to USERS without congesting RF: Lets call it PATHcop:
>>
>>1) PATHcop monitors APRS-IS...
>
>How many connections / servers running this would you want? A deluge of
>email may or may not have the effect you want :)
Only one...
Objective is not to deluge them, but a gentle reminder once a week or
so... Thanks!
Bob
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Subject: Pleasantville (WAS: Path Police Idea)
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:35:59 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4
Now THIS is certainly the most ridiculous idea I've EVER seen on here.
I thought we were about trying to educate and encourage people on APRS.
Now we want to send blind, unsolicited emails to people if they sin
against us????
C'mon....forget this already. Make a live contact with the person and
if that doesn't work you can always lock them out of the local
digipeater. Nevermind the fact that you may NEVER find an email address
to mail the "pleasant-gram" to.... So, with no email, it eventually
ends up on air... Really "pleasant" 'welcome to APRS' message to
receive, I'd think.
No matter how "pleasant" the email is it'll put people off not to
mention the fact that doing something like this would put us back into
the kind of "you can't do that on MY frequency" thinking that abounds on
75 meters. How "pleasant" can THAT be???
Please, Bob, drop this idea.
--
73 de Jim, KU0G
Chairman/Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR
First Alert Storm Team KMBC-TV9
Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org
Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org
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Subject: Re: Pleasantville (WAS: Path Police Idea)
From: "Sean \\The RIMBoy\\" <sean@rimboy.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:49:20 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 5
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jim Duncan wrote:
>Now THIS is certainly the most ridiculous idea I've EVER seen on here.
What, trying to educate people that they're abusing the system?
>I thought we were about trying to educate and encourage people on APRS.
Ok, then how? We're encouraging them alright. And despite stating in
presentations what the smart paths are to run, we still get people
thinking their mobiles need to be WIDE5-5 beaconing every 1-3 minutes.
This despite putting up websites covering a region with suggested paths
and beacon rates. This despite being asked how to get on the air and
promptly ignoring instructions on what the path should be set to.
>Now we want to send blind, unsolicited emails to people if they sin
>against us????
Well, it's no more unsolicited than the emails I get because my email
address is listed on QRZ. And at least it has something to do with the
email address I have listed on QRZ and not some porn spam. These people
put their email addresses in their btext and on QRZ for a reason. I'm not
saying we should spam them, but it's in many cases the best point of
contact.
>C'mon....forget this already. Make a live contact with the person and
>if that doesn't work you can always lock them out of the local
>digipeater.
And then what? Some I'm sure will then set up their own digi's creating
futher problems. Locking them out of the digi won't solve problems. I'll
go along with mangling excessive wide's, but locking out (unless
absolutely dire and in extreme instances) will not solve the problem.
>Nevermind the fact that you may NEVER find an email address
>to mail the "pleasant-gram" to.... So, with no email, it eventually
>ends up on air... Really "pleasant" 'welcome to APRS' message to
>receive, I'd think.
Well, give us some other options then. If you've got a better solution
let's here it.
>No matter how "pleasant" the email is it'll put people off not to
>mention the fact that doing something like this would put us back into
>the kind of "you can't do that on MY frequency" thinking that abounds on
>75 meters. How "pleasant" can THAT be???
We've been over this before. Why should users who run proper paths and
proper beacon rates have to deal with the abusers who won't listen? What
you're saying is that there's not a solution. You say that we should
contact them to discuss the situation but you don't want us to contact
them because it might make them mad. What is it you'd like us to do?
I hate to think that if it turns someone off we probably did not want them
doing APRS anyway, but that's what it boils down to. I want and try to
promote APRS, but at the same time I want to promote it in a way that
everyone can participate. By not doing anything about the excessive
WIDE's we run off the people that we really want. Which is worse?
>Please, Bob, drop this idea.
Please Jim, give us a better solution then.
Sean...
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--Paul Simon
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Subject: BEACON RATES
From: Gonzales Andy <agonzales@arc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:09:03 -0700
X-Message-Number: 6
I have seen the discussions on path lengths and read references to
"normal beacon rates" but what are they. When traveling I use a rate
of 3 minutes with status text sent every other time. When parked I
reset to 10 mintes with status ent every time.
--
Andy Gonzales
NASA / Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
Bldg. N-244, Rm. 240
MS 244-19
agonzales@arc.nasa.gov
650-604-0309
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Subject: Re: BEACON RATES
From: Randy Allen - KA0AZS <ka0azs@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:37:29 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 7
I think it varies with the client/application.
APRS DOS starts at a high rate (I think 1 or 2 minutes) and then "decays"
over time to a rate of every 30 minutes. I don't think it is User
programable.
I use "Smart Beacon" in my APRS+SA and TinyTraks, which varies the rate
according to speed, and beacons at each 30 degree or larger turn.
"Slow"/stopped rate about 30 Min, "Fast" at every 3 Min.
I run my D-700 at every 3 minutes normal mobile ops, and every 30 minutes
when in my "Parked" mode.
I usually send status every 3 beacons except for special conditions (Public
service events, ARES Ops, etc).
>I have seen the discussions on path lengths and read >references to
>"normal beacon rates" but what are they. When >traveling I use a rate of 3
>minutes with status text sent >every other time. When parked I reset to 10
>mintes with status sent every time.
Randy Allen, KA0AZS
EC, Montgomery County OH
www.qsl.net/ohd3ares
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