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Subject: Voice Repeaters - Travelers
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:17:26 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 15
Travelers Voice Repeaters:
To help APRS travelers this summer, digipeaters in the boonies should
recommend the nearest WIDE-AREA VOICE repeater for thru-travelers. These
recommendations should show up on the Kenwood something like this:
+-------------+
| 146-940 |
| PL-107.3 |
| Pikes MTN |
+-------------+
And they show up under the LIST button like this:
+----------------------------+
| 1. WB4APR-9 ............. |
| 2. KB2ICI-10 ............. |
| 3. 146-940 ............. |<==== like this
| 4. K4HG-9 ............. |
+----------------------------+
This alerts travelers where they can find activity or other travelrs or
dedicated APRS folks. These Voice Repeater Objects are transmitted DIRECT
ONLY! We do not want to see them where we cannot work them! ALso, by
being DIRECT only, they dont take up any more air time than they need to.
THey should be set to one packet every 10 minutes so that they are timely.
This is 0.0016 of channel capacity and well worth it!
Without these Travelers Advisories, most people don't bother with the
tedium of looking up repeaters in the ARRL directory while they drive so
they miss a lot of opportunity to chat APRS...
These should not be everyone's favorite ego-peater, but simply a pointer
to that frequency most widely used by through travelers in the area of
EACH digi. To put these into you KPC-3 DIGIPEATER, here's how:
LT 1 )146-940 !DDMM.HHN/DDDMM.HHW$PL-107.3 Pikes MTN
LTP 1 APRS
BLT 1 E 00:10:00
Notice the Frequency of the repeater is the OBJET NAME. It does not use a
"." decimal point, because these cause attached GPS's to BEEP and flash
"INVALID WAYPOINT" every time they are heard. I hope that the HYPHEN will
be acceptible to the Garmin GPS (Havent tested it yet)...
Notice also that the path is just APRS, and NOT APRS VIA WIDE or any other
such paths. These must be LOCAL packets only.
We do not want to encourage lots and lots of useless advertising on APRS,
but I do want APRS to serve the traveler. If local info is transmitted
ONLY LOCALLY DIRECT, then it is a local issue and the local needs can be
balanced locally.
Having VOICE ALERT (on 144.39) and these travel advisories will greatly
enhance your distant APRS traveling experience. Maybe those people who
still say "ho-humm... APRS.. whats it good for?" might notice the fun
you'll have...
de WB4APR, Bob
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Subject: Re: New RINO data.
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:19:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 16
At 11:57 AM 6/22/2003, Scott Miller wrote:
>You acknowledge that this Software is the property of Garmin and is
>protected under United States of America copyright laws and international
>copyright treaties. You further acknowledge that the structure,
>organization, and code of the Software are valuable trade secrets of Garmin
>and that the Software in source code form remains a valuable trade secret of
>Garmin. You agree not to decompile, disassemble, modify, reverse assemble,
>reverse engineer, or reduce to human readable form the Software or any part
>thereof or create any derivative works based on the Software.
But I don't seem to recall anyone here trying to decompile and look at
their software, the only discussion I've seen is people engaging in a
discourse of how the Rino transmits packets over part of the spectrum given
to public domain.
People used to say. "It's a free country." Now people say, "Be careful
what you say in public, because the government or a Big Corporation may sue
you or throw you in jail." It's obvious that the DMCA butts heads with
the Bill of Rights, and supposedly, according to our Supreme Court, the
right of the people (the individual) outweighs the rights of the government
or the corporation. We need to exercise our rights to keep them. If we
cave in to stupid laws that clearly obfuscate reason, then we, the
individuals lose. Has anyone here heard of a Ben Franklin Society? They
were formed all over the United States to protest anti-kite flying laws
that were the norm up until the 1950's. I don't believe Washington D.C.
repealed it's anti-kite laws until 1971. BTW, when the Taliban took over
Afghanistan, one of the first things they banned was kite flying... :) How
about Margaret Sanger? Hounded by the U.S. Government and jailed in 1916,
for the terrible offense of promoting feminine hygiene and birth control.
Recently Sony tried to shut down a web site that described the operation of
their robot pet dog, AIBO, and also had some software mods for the toy.
Then Sony realized that this web site actually HELPS sales of their product
and makes it more useful to the buying public...
Let us hope that Garmin realizes that having a method of integrating the
decoding of RINO packets into APRS can only INCREASE sales of their
product. No one here is trying to figure out the transmission scheme for
profit or to make a competing handheld product using their technology.
Mark
KC7BXS
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Subject: FW: Spirit of Piccard balloon launch today, 22 June 03
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:33:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17
That was the last position that we received. Apparently there was a failure
of some sort onboard - I suspect that the envelope, at least, is still in
the air and will be until late this evening. We can only hope that the
payload is eventually found and maybe we can determine what exactly
happened.
If anyone has received any further beacons from the balloon, please let me
know.
-R
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Rose [mailto:kb8uih@arrl.net]
>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:24 PM
>To: Rochte, Robert
>Subject: Re: [aprssig] Spirit of Piccard balloon launch today, 22 June 03
>
>
>What is the latest status of the project? The last packet I
>had put it near
>Lake Erie still over land in Michigan at 10:48:55 this mornig
>at altitude of
>26,263 ft.
>
>Chris
>KB8UIH
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Subject: Tracking other packets - finding the balloon
From: "Rochte, Robert" <rrochte@gpacademy.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:15:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 18
One suspicion that I have about my missing balloon is that the GPS flaked
out and stopped sending NMEA data to the KPC-3+ (it has done this once
before for reasons still unexplained - great idea to use it again, eh?). If
this happened -- but the TNC and radio remained functional -- would status
beacons continue to be transmitted? Also, would it continue to digipeat
other packets?
[Enter the Big Assumption....]
If this *is* what happened, then I would *not* see any updates on Findu,
would I? I'm assuming that they would stop right when the GPS died. Is
there a way to query all of the APRS packets that have been relayed through
the balloon and thus possibly get an idea of where it is at, even though it
is not transmitting position data?
-R
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Subject: Re: Tracking other packets - finding the balloon
From: Steve Dimse <k4hg@tapr.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:48:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19
On 6/22/03 at 5:15 PM Rochte, Robert <rrochte@gpacademy.org> sent:
>One suspicion that I have about my missing balloon is that the GPS flaked
>out and stopped sending NMEA data to the KPC-3+ (it has done this once
>before for reasons still unexplained - great idea to use it again, eh?). If
>this happened -- but the TNC and radio remained functional -- would status
>beacons continue to be transmitted? Also, would it continue to digipeat
>other packets?
Digipeater would still work, and the TNC would continue to transmit a
position, but it would always be the same posit.
>[Enter the Big Assumption....]
>
>If this *is* what happened, then I would *not* see any updates on Findu,
>would I?
No, you would still see the position updating through findU (noted by the
"Report Received" field in find.cgi), but it would be the same, just as
happens with a fixed station.
>I'm assuming that they would stop right when the GPS died. Is
>there a way to query all of the APRS packets that have been relayed through
>the balloon and thus possibly get an idea of where it is at, even though it
>is not transmitting position data?
Not through findU. The digi field is not parsed out, and not searchable. I
have no plans to change this...the nature of the APRS network makes it
impossible to answer any questions that depend on the digi field because of
dup removal.
Steve K4HG
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Subject: Re: Voice Repeaters - Travelers
From: "Dick Stanich" <dick@kb7zva.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:48:28
X-Message-Number: 20
Bob, this beats washing machines <g>.
I programmed my digi BLACK outside of Yuma, Arizona. If you travel this
way, bring plenty of water and a radio! The digi sits on the same mountain
as the area voice repeater. I may change the repeater frequency to a system
that has 7 linked repeaters in our area, and maybe make it 2 hops.
BLT 3 E 00:10:00
LT 3 )146-880 !3303.28N/11449.66W$PL-162.2 Black MTN KB7ZVA
LTP 3 APRS
I covered legal issues by adding my callsign. If you jump on the aprs-is
feed and at BLACK near Yuma, you can see how impressive this setup looks.
Have to see what this looks like on a 700. Great idea Bob.
Dick, KB7ZVA
arizona.aprs2.net
aprswest.net
http://kb7zva.com
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