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Subject: Re: hamradio Was Old Computers
From: Alex <kr1st@amsat.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:26:12 -0400
X-Message-Number: 20
John Hansen wrote:
>
>> What's the purpose of Ham Radio?
>I agree with virtually everything you said in your message, but I'm a > bit
>concerned that over the past couple of years the hobby has grown to be
>obsessed with emergency communications to the exclusion of all other
>important purposes.
Hear! Hear! Just this week I said pretty much the same thing on a
different list in reaction to the following article:
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/06/06/4/?nc=1
I said that it seems that these days hamradio is more about the ham (as
in body, volunteer, corps member) than radio.
The ARRL certainly seems to be rather preoccupied these days with emcom
(Now if someone would actually proof read the Emcom course material...).
Not that I think that's not important, don't get me wrong, but it seems
that more and more the ARRL is seeing their body of members as a body of
volunteers rather than radio hobbyists. Soon ARRL members may be asked
to wear Citizen's Corps uniforms, promote neighborhood watches (mutual
promotion is an actual requirement of the affiliation agreement). :) The
more the ARRL affiliates itself (and therefor its members) with all
kinds of organizations, the less I can affiliate myself with the ARRL.
Perhaps it's the spectrum thread that the makes the emphasis on emcom
necessary and justified. However, among hams it shouldn't be. We know.
73,
--Alex KR1ST (10 meters is open....remember hamradio?)
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Subject: Fw: Re: hamradio Was Old Computers
From: "Bill Guthrie" <willy3jax@covad.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:51:33 -0400
X-Message-Number: 21
To many HAMS are in the "bashing" business. No one organization could
possible meet the needs of all Ham operators. The ARRL does a good job. If
it does not meet your needs, join another group, don't try to slaughter the
group that does not fit you or your needs.
Bill, KC4OUA
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Subject: ADMIN: Re: hamradio Was Old Computers
From: Stan Horzepa <stanzepa@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:59:14 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22
This is off-topic, so please take this discussion off the SIG.
Thank you for your cooperation,
Stan, WA1LOU, SIG administrator
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Subject: Hamboree 2003 - Sioux City, Iowa
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:47:25 -0500
X-Message-Number: 23
Just a reminder that this year's Sioux City, Iowa Hamboree/State Convention
is just a day away.
Please if you are within driving distance of Sioux City, make the
trip. Today I spoke to Tom, WB0YNX, who is the chairman of the Hamboree
and he says they expect that all the indoor fleamarket tables will be
taken. This is going to be a great place to pick up bargains.
Also remember this year the Hamboree will be at the Downtown Convention
Center, at 4th and Jennings. I'm told the best way to get there is to
exit at Gordon Drive from Business 29, due to construction. I think
Virginia is the nearest north/south through-street up to 4th.
Fleamarket will open at 2:00PM on Friday and 8:00 AM on Saturday.
http://www.3900club.com/mycustompage0021.htm
Mark
KC7BXS
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Subject: Re: Client Personality Enhancement Suggestion [was: Win APRSDirect
Station Only]
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:52:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 24
>As per your suggestion, I have added the ability to select station
>origination display options, the complete list of station display
>options are:
>
> Display All Stations (Normal)
> Direct Stations Only
> new RF Stations Only VHF/HF
> new VHF Stations Only
> new HF Stations Only
> new TCP Stations Only
> Flagged Stations Only
> Tracked Stations Only
> Weather Stations Only
>
>I will have this out in the next release.
>
>As I mentioned previously, Mac/WinAPRS already keeps track of where
>the station came from (HF, VHF, TCP/IP) and this is displayed in the
>station list.
Hi Mark,
First, my appologies for the delay in responding. I've been working on a
new website for the CU2QSO system (APRS for VHF Contesting folks), and had
to 'disconnect' from email for a couple days to concentrate on it.
This is AWESOME news! It has been a sorely needed function in the PropNET
world as we now have an Internet stream that we have established. We
compare data from the stream to what we RX on RF and get a better idea of
band conditions. Being able to differentiate between TCP from RF RX's will
be just the ticket.
I guess it will be time for us to re-evaluate WinAPRS for PropNET work!
Thanks!
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: Re: Client Personality Chart [was: Client PersonalityEnhancement
Suggestion]
From: "Ev Tupis (W2EV)" <w2ev@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:23:27 -0400
X-Message-Number: 25
"Curt Mills, WE7U" wrote:
>
>On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Ev Tupis (W2EV) wrote:
>
>>About 10 years ago I thought it would be a nice idea to document the various
>>features that each author built-in to their systems and lay them out on a
chart>>to allow new APRSers the opportunity to make an informed decision as to
which
>>client they would use.
>
>You've visited this site, right?
>
>http://www.eskimo.com/~archer/aprs_capabilities.html
Yes, but I failed to scroll to notice just how much good info there was
there! Wow, nice job! I gotta bookmark that. Thanks!
Ev, W2EV
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Subject: Old computers is not off topic
From: John Kraus <flyfisher452@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:58:29 -0400
X-Message-Number: 26
Stan and the sig
I disagree that the thread old computers is off topic. I currently use
several 486's to run Digi_Ned. I also use them for experimenting with
XASTIR and other software. I was given these boxes free. (This beats the
pants off $500 any day) These computers have run reliably for a long time.
I would refer anyone who doubts the capabilities of basic Dos / Linux
systems to run for long periods to check out the MCNBBS here in Macon. It
has been running on a 386 virtually continuously since 1994 with a few
reboots due to power failure. At one time this 386 running Debian
supported an APRS R/W/T digi, a SEDAN node, and the MCNBBS/local node all
at the same time on different ports/radios-frequencies /TNCs.
I am currently using a P-166 64m 5gb HD box to setup and play with Linux
From Scratch. I plan to use the system as the base for an enhanced level
of Digi_Ned digis that can also run node software and BBS at the same time.
In answer to the hardware reliability questions TAPR'S PSR had an article a
while back on how to harden computers for digi/node service. As to the
lack of AT power supplies I find it hard to believe that one MUST order
them by mail. I have them given to me in every "old computer" I get. It
is a simple matter to salvage several to keep on hand.
On the issue of power consumption several of the 486 boxes I have built
draw less than 20 watts. However, power consumption is not an issue at any
site with AC line access. For a remote site with only solar power or very
limited access go with a TNC only solution but with AC line available think
outside the box and design the next generation of packet applications.
Are "Old Computers" off topic. I think not. What is off topic is the
oneupsmanship of the flame bait.
The use of "Old Computers" for APRS is not off topic.
The real problem with these off topic posts is the continuous posting of
flame bait by a few users. There is no need to tell people what computer
or other hardware to use; it is an individual choice. Yet I often see
"holier than thou" edicts posted that create these flame wars.
I think you need to be more surgical in the application of your censorship.
There are a few who seem to spark these threads with their attitude. They
are the ones who should be sanctioned.
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Subject: Re: replicating KISS ports under windows
From: "Doug Younker" <dougy@ruraltel.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:32:14 -0500
X-Message-Number: 27
Someday I will be able to think $500 an insignificant amount of money or
even $225 but I doubt it will be anytime soon though. --73
Doug, N0LKK
dougy@ruraltel.net
to the SIG administrator: wa1lou@tapr.org
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Subject: Unattended Shutdown using Windows XP
From: "Mark Fellhauer" <sparkfel@qwest.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:55:02 -0500
X-Message-Number: 28
I think like many of the people on this SIG, I've been somewhat ahead of
the curve technology-wise. For many years I have used UPS's on my
personal computers and they have saved the day many times.
I have an older APC Back-UPS 500, that can communicate serially to a PC,
but at the time I bought the unit the cable and software to do this
exceeded the cost of the UPS. Later I found a pinout of the proprietary
APC cable, but never had much luck getting it to work with their software,
expecially under Win2K and XP. I did find a little script for Homeseer
that worked well, though.
I had noticed that under the power option of XP there is a tab labelled
UPS. I filed that away and until now had not tested it. A few days back
I hooked an APC basic signalling cable to a serial port on a computer and
connected it to the UPS. This cable basically only monitors one pin on
the DB-9 (CTS), and when it asserts high, the software/OS assumes the UPS
is on battery power. I went to the power settings and UPS Tab, clicked on
select manufacturer, chose APC, and then Back UPS on Com1, then finish. I
then selected configure and set that up the way I wanted it.
Then the test. I pressed the "test UPS" button on the front of the BU500
and the UPS wailed and 10 seconds later a message popped up on my screen
saying the computer was on battery mode. Two minutes later I watched all
the open applications close, and the computer shut down (you can choose
hibernate, too). Pretty cool. Upon resuming AC power the computer
booted back up automatically.
Right now xxxxxxxxxx has a small APC UPS 500ES on sale for under
$xxxxx. It communicates to a PC via USB. The monitoring functions of this
little unit are amazing. It can log power anomolies and you can set up
parameters as to when the unit goes on battery power.
This kind of technology is great for the APRS'er who leaves his computer on
24/7, like me. And the prices for UPS units has become affordable for most
people.
I always physically turn my monitor off when I'm away from the computer, so
that won't drain a UPS if the power does go off...
73,
Mark
KC7BXS
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