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Subject: Re: WAS: KCAPRS Site... IS GROWTH..
From: Bill Vodall <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:30:17 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

>The biggest problem with 802.11b and 802.11a is that it is spreadspectrum
>technology.  Current part-97 reg state that you have to turn it off it is 
>interfering with another mode.  So, for instance, in Tulsa OK, we have 2.4ghz 
>ATV transmitters operating VSB.  You could not operate 802.11a or 802.11b 
>equipment, legally (part-97 or part-15), in the city, anywhere that it 
>interferes with such operations.  We are nice, and try to work with everyone 
>to resolve the problems.  But, you might find someone in your town who wants 
>to own these bands, and could put up VSB, FM-digital or other equipment on 
>those bands.

So a few guys burning multiple megahertz chunks of spectrum to use 50 year
old technology to watch each others pets playing can prevent the adoption of
nifty new digital communications technology?   Now that's got to be a heck of
a feather in the cap for Amateur Radio.

We need to get the rules fixed and get SS working on far more of the ham
bands.  FHSS would be great even on 430 to 450.  Smart radios could take
advantage of all those vast under used portions of the band.

73,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Another minor 270 bug?
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:21:00 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11

I'm noticing a second window opening when I start WAPR 270.  It
initially contains the WAPR icon but then reverts to a blank WinXP icon
after WAPR finishes loading.

No matter what I do I can't expand this window OR close it but it goes
away with WAPR is shut down.  

Running XP-Pro here with 512K RAM/500MHz P3...
-- 
73 de Jim, KU0G
Chairman/Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR
First Alert Storm Team KMBC-TV9
Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org
Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org

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Subject: KCAPRS Site returns...
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:21:30 -0500
X-Message-Number: 12

Sometime in the past 24 hours the site administrator has gotten KCAPRS
website back online.  Just FYI....
-- 
73 de Jim, KU0G
Chairman/Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR
First Alert Storm Team KMBC-TV9
Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org
Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org

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Subject: 270 is UNSTABLE
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:29:18 -0500
X-Message-Number: 13

I continue to experience UHE's and forced shutdowns of 2.7.0.  With no
disrespect intended, I believe that 2.7.0 has problems that weren't
discovered in the testing process.

The UHE I get is c0000005 at address 004aff39...

I do NOT recommend the download or operation of this version at this
time.  I'm going back to my previous version....
-- 
73 de Jim, KU0G
Chairman/Coordinator
Kansas City APRS Working Group, W0APR
First Alert Storm Team KMBC-TV9
Mailto:ku0g@kcaprs.org
Webpage: http://www.kcaprs.org

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Subject: Re: WAS: KCAPRS Site... IS GROWTH..
From: "Richard Amirault" <ramirault@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:44:26 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14

To look at it another way ...

So a bunch of newbees want to use the part of the band that we've been using
(minding our own business) for years, and don't care if they interfere with
us or not. Now that's got to be a heck of a black eye for Amateur Radio.

Richard Amirault                                N1JDU                Boston,
MA, USA
www.erols.com/ramirault          "Go Fly A Kite"

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Subject: MIC-e repeater made easy
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:59:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 15

On of my german friends has just told me about a TNC which does 1200 and 9k6
at the same time.  I suppose it could be called the european version of a
9612, alas it is single port.  It has two modems for receiving, a normal
1200 modem and a G3RUH for 9600.  It does true DCD for 1200 also.  This is
where the slick part comes in... it doesn't care what it's heard, 1200 or
9600, it passes a packet off to the serial port.  It does have a front panel
knob for selection of transmit mode (it can only TX either or, not both at
the same time - you must manually select the TX baud rate).  With a simple
loopback connector and in KISS mode, it could be used to "bridge" a voice
repeater input frequency over to 144.39.  No matter if you TX'ed a MIC-e
packet with 1200 or 9600, this modem could digipeat it over to 144.39 @
1200... or for that matter to some 70cm 9600 backbone.  With it's true dcd
on 1200, it could mute the repeater audio by asserting a relay to interrupt
COR, making the repeater controller "think" it's lost carrier and mute the
audio for us.

The price is about xxx euro, which comes to about $xxx, the same price as a
kpc3plus.  I'm a big fan on kpc3 and kpc3plus, but have found the 9612's
9600 baud modem to be more iffy than, say the paccomm spirit.  (i've owned
both)  My german friend also expressed this frustration at the 9612 and said
this modem is more on a par with the spirit.  This is in no way a slam on
kantronics, just my own experience from empirical testing.

I think I'm going to get one and have my german buddy's wife bring it back
from the EU with her mid summer.  If anyone else wants to try one, let me
know.  If anyone needs the web site of this tnc translated, let me know...
It's pretty easy to figure out most of the  english counterparts.  The only
one which threw me for a moment was the audio level is a 25 turn pot from 0
to 3.5 volts output.

http://www.tnc2multi.de/tnc2multi/tnc2multi.html

Wes

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Subject: Re: 270 is UNSTABLE
From: vic <ke4lkq@shentel.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:15:42 -0400
X-Message-Number: 16

same here!!!   lots of them, uhe's
vic

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Subject: Re: 270 is UNSTABLE
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:06:39 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17

I have removed 2.7.0 from the web site, I have found part of the 
problem and am doing more debugging right now

Mark

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Subject: Re: 270 is UNSTABLE
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 20:42:43 -0500
X-Message-Number: 18

Thanks, Mark!  We know how much you love to debug!!! <G>

Seriously, there aren't many software writers out there that respond
like you guys do!

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Subject: WinAPRS 2.7.1
From: Mark Sproul <msproul@jove.rutgers.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:22:24 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19

Thanks to everyone for feed back about version 2.7.0.

I think I found one of the major bugs and have posted a new version on

	http://www.winaprs.org/downloads

There are 2 files, winaprs.exe which is JUST the new exe file or 
waprs271.zip which includes the tiger files etc.

Please continue with the feedback on the version and I will do my 
best to fix problems

Additions in 2.7.1

	WX File support now working

	Vantage Pro weather station now working.

Mark

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Subject: 271....
From: Jim Duncan <jdbandman@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 21:56:37 -0500
X-Message-Number: 20

Mark:

2.7.1 still leaves a second unidentified window open that can't be
viewed or closed....
-- 
73 de Jim, KU0G

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Subject: Re: 270 is UNSTABLE
From: "Curt Mills, WE7U" <archer@eskimo.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 21

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jim Duncan wrote:

>Thanks, Mark!  We know how much you love to debug!!! <G>
> 
>Seriously, there aren't many software writers out there that respond
>like you guys do!

You're kidding, right?

Subscribe to any of these lists for a few days:

	UI-View list
	TinyTrak list
	AGWPE list
	Xastir list

There's enough traffic for those packages that they pretty much _have_ to
be on their own lists.  If they tried to use the APRSSIG list for support,
people would be unsubscribing in droves just because of the level of
traffic!

I'm sure there are other examples of APRS-related lists that are similar,
those were just the first few that came to mind.  They have _very_ active
user communities, with both coders and users present on each of them
answering questions and sharing the knowledge.

Curt, WE7U.				archer@eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
  Lotto:  A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown
Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U.
The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"

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