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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Saturday, April 19, 2003.
1. Forms
2. SA+ with other maps
3. NTS Message system in WinAPRS? ? ?
4. Re: Forms
5. Re: Forms
6. Re: Recommended Standalone TNC for APRS
7. Re: NTS Message system in WinAPRS? ? ?
8. Re: Pizza Bash
9. Re: NTS Message system in WinAPRS? ? ?
10. Re: Recommended Standalone TNC for APRS
11. Anybody used the Alinco DR-135TP for APRS?
12. Re: Forms
13. Re: Anybody used the Alinco DR-135TP for APRS?
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Subject: Forms
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:41:04 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1
Although this is not *exactly* aprs related, it is definitely public service
related. I've just put together a program which allows you to fill out
forms on your PC and transmit only the contents of the fields over some
digital meduim. It was at first intended for PSK31, but I have played with
it, and it will output in a format of one line per field, so the contents of
the fields should be short enough to fit in an APRS formatted message (one
line at a time), and reassembled on the other end. Perhaps it's better to
simply go into the command mode of your TNC, establish a connection
(remember connected mode packet?) with the intended recepient, and send the
data in it's "one line" format. If you sent the data to a BBS or PBBS
located in the EOC's TNC, these messages could be publicly available
"database" of sorts. Would be kinda neat too, b/c the MAIL light would
flash on the TNC letting someone at teh EOC know there was a form needed
looked at.
Anyway, here's how it works. Unzip it in a folder called SCSG or SCSG10.
Make sure that there is a folder called SAT inside the root folder, and that
all files just don't get lumped in the root directory. Run the SCSG.EXE
program. Choose a form from the list of SCSG forms or from Other Forms
(arrl radiogram is here). Fill out the blanks desired, select EDIT COPY.
The windows clipboard will now have the "form data". Paste this line of
text into your favorite PSK31 program, tnc terminal, or email app. On the
receiving end, use EDIT PASTE to recreate the form on the screen. A text
window will open and the form will be filled out for you ready to print.
Any fields which are too long to fit in the alotted space in the text output
will be wrapped in a neat column. There is no length limit on individual
fields... just type until you get all your data in there! Other options
include COPY HUMAN READABLE (multiline), and COPY ENCRYPTED (which is a
simple variation of ROT13).
The ZIP file also contains source code, and it's written in Liberty Basic
(b/c I dont have a copy of VB). Any takers for VB? Please share if you do.
This program didn't turn out exactly as I wanted. All forms had to be hard
coded due to limitations of Liberty Basic's ability to name on screen
controls. I would have preferred some sort of HTML compatible FORM code,
but this is what we got. One perk about Liberty Basic's pulldown boxes is
that you don't just have to pick one of the pulldown options, you can type
anything in the blank AND/OR pulldown. It will run on Win95, Win98, 2k and
XP.
http://wes.johnston.net/scsg
Let me know what ya'll think.
Wes
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Subject: SA+ with other maps
From: Reid Crowe <bigreidous@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 2
I was wondering if the SA+ software would work with other DeLorme Maps like
topo?
73 Reid KC=D8IDI
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Subject: NTS Message system in WinAPRS? ? ?
From: "Jacob Tennant" <k8jwt@ntelos.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:43:40 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3
Does the NTS message part of WinAPRS work properly now or is it still
inoperative?
We had our local ARES meeting last evening and the big emphasis for upcoming
training was for the use of NTS formatted messages.
Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
Personal Web Page: www.qsl.net/k8jwt
Mon.Co.ARES Web Page: www.qsl.net/k8jwt/mcares
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Subject: Re: Forms
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:22:18 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4
>Although this is not *exactly* aprs related, it is definitely public service
>related. I've just put together a program which allows you to fill out
>forms on your PC and transmit only the contents of the fields over some
>digital meduim. It was at first intended for PSK31, but I have played with
>it, and it will output in a format of one line per field, so the contents of
>the fields should be short enough to fit in an APRS formatted message (one
>line at a time), and reassembled on the other end. Perhaps it's better to
>simply go into the command mode of your TNC, establish a connection
>(remember connected mode packet?) with the intended recepient, and send the
>data in it's "one line" format. If you sent the data to a BBS or PBBS
>located in the EOC's TNC, these messages could be publicly available
>"database" of sorts. Would be kinda neat too, b/c the MAIL light would
>flash on the TNC letting someone at teh EOC know there was a form needed
>looked at.
Wes,
It is my opinion, after having tried to use APRS for both data collection
and messaging in activated EOC;s, that messaging needs to be handled in some
other more efficient form than APRS and certainly on a separated frequency.
Let's not kid ourselves, APRS is going to have a hard time keeping up with a
SAT data connection for handling any kind of traffic (they tend to show up
during real disasters). APRS (as it is now) is great for collecting field
data but for messaging, it is poor at best. I would never ever consider
APRS as a means of messaging, unless of course it was the last thing I had
to use. I mean no dis-respect on what I say here.
APRS can NOT handle any one of the "standard" ICS forms (that you are
suppose to use in an EOC/IC environment) with any efficiency....period. If
you think it can, then try one, then try 10. APRS would become so
overwhelmed, it would fail within the first 30 minutes of use. Even on the
TCPIP connects on the internet, APRS messaging is pretty much a joke for
sending any length of message text except one liners.
One of the important issues being stressed in CERT training and other
training is that everyone needs to be on the same page in regards to almost
everything and certainly communications. It was one of the single most
important issues on 9/11 and the powers that be "finally" woke up to what
professional communicators have been saying since WWII. During 9/11 and for
weeks after, the powers that be learned that very few organizations could
coordinate due to a lack of communications or standards.
I hope your forms follow the ICS. And, I hope you reconsider the type of
messaging you plan for your EOC.
Jim, WA6OFT
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Subject: Re: Forms
From: "Wes Johnston" <wes@johnston.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:57:31 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5
Thanks for your optimism...
This messaging format was designed for PSK31, not aprs. It *could* work in
a pinch on APRS, but that is not what it was intended for. That was stated
in the original posting.... I even stated that it would work better in
connected mode. The multiline format that I created was intended to break
the form data up into chunks which could be communcated over VOICE links if
in a pinch, and the one field per line will certainly FIT in an aprs
message. Do you realize that these forms can be filled out by HAND in a
pinch? I think if you read my posting again you will catch on that I said
"this is not exactly APRS related". If you know better than I about ICS,
please write an app for it. It would seem that I wrote an app where none
existed before. At least I am DOING something and not playing the role of
NAYSAYER.
Wes
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Subject: Re: Recommended Standalone TNC for APRS
From: "Larry Zanella" <zcopters@attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:12:4
X-Message-Number: 6
Why bother with a TNC and 2M radio? At a recent Hamfest, I saw D700s (in
perfect shape) selling for $150, complete. Much smaller footprint, a dual
band radio to boot, and the display has TONs of info on it.
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Subject: Re: NTS Message system in WinAPRS? ? ?
From: "Larry Zanella" <zcopters@attbi.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:18:9
X-Message-Number: 7
The military National Training System (NTS) Messages are normally
encrypted, and not available to the public.
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Subject: Re: Pizza Bash
From: Greg Noneman <greg@clubnet.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:04:15 -0700
X-Message-Number: 8
James,
Marion's is fine with me... and it's a tradition!
See everyone there.
73,
Greg
WB6ZSU
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