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Subject: PCSAT BBS
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:00:02 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 10
PCsat is doing fine. BBS has processed 24 messages. This is standard
BBS, just like on MIR and ISS. Anyone with a 1200 baud packet system on
145.825 can use it.
This experiment will last through the 28th while we are still in full sun.
PCsat is coming over mid latitudes every few hours from sun up to sun
down. Enjoy...
Bob, WB4APR
US Naval Academy Satellite Lab
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Subject: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Wayne Sanderson <vze3gcpt@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:05:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11
I am mulling buying an extra Rino and using it as a small child tracker
in an amusement park setting for a child that is big enough to get lost
but small enough to not know how to operate a radio. Could a Rino be
mated to a Tiny Trak or similar so that the NMEA info could be routed
from the serial port and wrapped around to the speaker/mic inputs, and
then transmitted as an APRS packet under the control of the Tiny Trak?
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Subject: FM Satellites for week beginning 21 Feb
From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:06:15 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 12
Mobile/FM Satellite Pass Periods for the week of 02-21-2003
Sats 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03
---- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
AO27 ********** ***********
UO14 ********** **********
SO41 ************* *************
AO16 ********** ***********
ISS *************************** **
UO22 **** **********
NO44 ************ ************* <== BBS is ON
AO-7 **************** **************
Note: Times are LOCAL SUN TIME for MID Northern Latitudes.
SOUTHERN Hemisphere pass times:
Sats 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03
---- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
AO27 ******** ***********
UO14 *********** **********
SO41 * ************* ****
AO16 ********** *********
ISS ******************************
UO22 * ********* ***
NO44 * ************* ******
AO-7 ************ *************
Note: Times are LOCAL SUN TIME for MID Southern Latitudes.
SAT CALL UPLINK DONWLINK MODE Altd
---- ------- --------------------- ----------------- - ---------- ----
AO-7 145.9 -432.15 LSB 145.97 29.502 USB B Analog 1450
AO10 435.03 -435.18 LSB 145.975-.825 USB B Analog 9000
UO11 none .. 145.825 AFSK V 1200 ASCII 650
AO40 435.700 LSB 145.898 USB B Beacon 9000
ISS 144.49 FM 145.800 FM V Voice 370
ISS RS0ISS 145.99 FM 145.800 AFSK V 1200 bd 370
RS13 145.96 -145.99 LSB 29.460-.50 USB A Analog 950
UO14 145.975 FM 435.070 FM J Voice 790
RS15 145.858-145.898 LSB 29.380 cntr USB A Analog 2000
AO16 PACSAT-1 145.90,92,94,96 Man 437.051 USB J 1200 PSK 810
LO19 LUSAT-1 145.84,86,88,90 Man 437.126 USB J 1200 PSK 805
IO26 ITMSAT-1 145.875,90,925,95 Man 435.822 USB J 1200 PSK 810
FO20 145.900-146.000 LSB 435.800-.900 USB J Analog 1300
FO29 145.900-146.000 LSB 435.800-.900 USB J Analog 1050
FO29 145.85,87,91 FSK 435.910 FSK J 9600 JD 1050
UO22 UOSAT5 145.900 FSK 435.120 FSK J 9600 BBS 760
KO25 HL02 145.980 FSK 436.502 FSK J 9600 BBS 760
AO27 145.85 inop FM 436.798 FM J Voice days 810
SO41 145.85 FM 436.775 FM J Voice 790
OPAL KF6RFX 437.100 FSK 437.100 FSK U 9600 digi 815
NO44 W3ADO-1 145.825 days only AFSK 145.828 AFSK V 1200 bd 805
STARSHINE 145.825 inop FSK 145.825 FSK V 9600 bd 440
NO45 KE6QMD 145.945 beeps onlyAFSK 437.095 AFSK J 1200 bd 804
AO-7 is not an FM satellite, but I included it here because of its
popularity...
de WB4APR, Bob
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:31:10 -0600 (CST)
X-Message-Number: 13
Technically, the posits have to be generated manually on FRS/GMRS, i.e. a
button push. The TinyTrak would violate this rule, so I don't think there is
any advantage to APRS here.
If the above doesn't bother you, there are some people modifying them as they
stand to automatically send posits. Here is a yahoo group for the RINO:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/
FYI, MURS *does* allow automatic posits (unless PRSG gets its way) but of
course there is no nice integrated package for it yet.
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Subject: OnStar?
From: "JB Crafts" <jbcraft@adelphia.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:36:44 -0500
X-Message-Number: 14
dumb question time;
My wife has been looking at a new car/SUV, several in the running have
OnStar. While I woul dnot be too inclined to pay for a service such as
OnStar, I assume the thing has a built in GPS receiver, and if it does, has
anyone tried using it for more worthwhile activities??
Bob K8YS
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Reid Crowe <kc0idi@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:55:07 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 15
Could you just use a timer circuit to "push" the post button? I'm not too
familiar with the Rino.
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Wayne Sanderson <vze3gcpt@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:10:34 -0500
X-Message-Number: 16
I don't think the Rino format is compatible with APRS, and I am looking
more for a straight APRS position packet- If a mobile in the parking lot
that has extended rx can receive the FRS freqs, the packet could be
retransmitted on 144.39...
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:12:27 -0600 (CST)
X-Message-Number: 17
Quoting Reid Crowe <kc0idi@yahoo.com>:
>Could you just use a timer circuit to "push" the post button? I'm not
>too familiar with the Rino.
I would think so, but I don't yet own a Rino. Here is a fellow suggesting
just that (and noticed he was advised that the rules did not allow this):
From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garmin-rino/message/394
--- In garmin-rino@yahoogroups.com, "Richard <richardagreen@y...>"
<richardagreen@y...> wrote:
I'm thinking of knocking together a few bits of electronics that send
out a short noise or emulate the ptt button on the headset socket -
hence sending the location as well. If I was to either sell the kit
so you folks could do it yourself or sell them pre-made - would any
of you be interested in buying one ? And what are the legal / moral /
ethical issues about this ?
Rich.
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: "Ronald Reams" <wa4mjf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:20:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 18
Well, that would run afoul of Part 97. With excception of the spacemen, you
cannot rebroadcast non-amateur signals in the amateur bands.
73 de Ronnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Sanderson" <vze3gcpt@verizon.net>
To: "TAPR APRS Special Interest Group" <aprssig@lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 17:10
Subject: [aprssig] Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
I don't think the Rino format is compatible with APRS, and I am looking
more for a straight APRS position packet- If a mobile in the parking lot
that has extended rx can receive the FRS freqs, the packet could be
retransmitted on 144.39...
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Subject: Re: Rino and Tiny Trak
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:25:01 -0600 (CST)
X-Message-Number: 19
Wayne:
You might want to read the rules for FRS and then decide if you want to
risk your ham license. Granted, everything we discussed, at best, is a gray
area, but giving it a high profile by porting it over to APRS would cause
you to stick out like a sore thumb.
That is not to say I don't think your application is an excellent one, it
is just the wavier for position reports, as far as I know, was just given
to Garmin and they have to be manually generated (i.e. a button push).
Having a 555 timer tweak the manual posit button on the RINO every few
minutes wouldn't be noticed, running Bell 202 (TiniTrak) on FRS (Garmins I
believe uses MSK1200) and then crossbanding to APRS WOULD BE NOTICED.
That much being made clear, what you are suggesting in your first message
would work just fine. Remember FRS has quite narrow deviation, so be
careful with the audio levels going into the unit.
Quoting Wayne Sanderson <vze3gcpt@verizon.net>:
>I don't think the Rino format is compatible with APRS, and I am looking
>more for a straight APRS position packet- If a mobile in the parking lot
>that has extended rx can receive the FRS freqs, the packet could be
>retransmitted on 144.39...
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