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Subject: Re: Tetroon collateral damage report, revision1
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:46:39 -0400
X-Message-Number: 133
RB> Not propaganda, just simple truths from the numbers
RB> that have been posted here by others...
>I was really referring to the user bashing and name calling.
>You simply refuse diplomacy in any way, and wonder
>why others respond back with the same. Not a good image for APRS.
Well, I appologize if I have not had time to be politifcally correct. But
this was an all out attack by about 10 of you and I have had to defend
myself to all of you. That is 2000 emails (count them!) that I have had to
respond to and it has taken 8 hours a day for going on 6 days now.
I am sorry that in such a situation of crisis, I may have not had the time
to put all the "nice words" in there to soften the blo and may have
offended some people...
But this OPENtrak attack on the APRS infrastructure has been ugly, and I am
proud to have been at the lead in the defenese of the 38% of ALL APRS users
who would like for their radio to continue to let them see what is going on
in APRS around them on the APRS channel...
For 38% of us, our D7 and D700 displays are our windows on the world about
us. We do NOT take lightly an all out attack on our ability to see through
that window... by a group of programmers who have a STATED OBJECTIVE to
obsolete us and to CLOSE that window.
And for what purpose??? To make it easy for them to be programmers? And
to have resolution to 1 centimeter?
Not worth it in my book...
Bob
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Subject: Re: DTMF Decoding for my talking weather station
From: Sean Jewett <sean@rimboy.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:32:46 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 134
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Andrew Rich wrote:
>Does anyone know of a DTMF decoding routine for LINUX or VB that can decode
>DTMF.
Several.
Multimon from Thomas Sailer is probably the most accessable of the
decoders. There are some issues running it (IIRC, tell it not to use the
X hooks) but once you get if figured out you're golden. That said, make
sure you're at a stopping point with everything (ie, email, word
processing) before you run it for the first time. If you run it and leave
that one hook active it'll crash X (joy). I have used it and it does a
pretty good job at decoding. At one point I was thinking about using it
to build a simple linux based repeater controller. I may still do that.
You might also look at Asterisk to see what if anything you might be able
to use DTMFwise.
I'm sure a Freshmeat.net search on DTMF should provide some others.
Sean...
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: "Eric H. Christensen" <kf4otn@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:46:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 135
The Kenwood can't decode the Peet Brothers packets, either... But my
software does...
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: How to Run ZTerm on Mac OS X?
From: "Brian Riley (maillist)" <n1bq_list@wulfden.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:54:53 -0400
X-Message-Number: 136
On 6/9/04 8:03 PM, "Matthew Stennett" <wa4tkg@iwon.com> wrote:
>Not familiar with what Panther will do, so don't know how to run simple
>terminal program to MFJ-1270C on OS X?
>Ihave a serial ><USB adaptor but don't know how to configure it.
>Serial adaptor is a Belkin F5U103-MAC.
>No OS X driver on DISC from when I bought it.
>Don't know if it will even run.
<http://downloads.belkin.com/support/downloads/software/F5U103-MAC.sea.hqx>
Allegedly the latest and greatest driver for the Belkin ... Mind you the
universally shared opinion about the Belkin USB-Serial adapters is they get
high honors as POS! .. From both Windows users and Mac users, but
particularly from Mac users.
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:38:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 137
Peet Brothers didn't make an update to make APRS compatible weather reports?
Doesn't the WXTrak support Peet Brothers? Supposedly there's only one
weather format actually in the APRS SPEC... That'd mean the other hacks
for other weather stations are just that.. hacks.
--Droo, K1XVM
At 08:46 PM 6/9/2004, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>The Kenwood can't decode the Peet Brothers packets, either... But my
>software does...
>
>
>73s,
>Eric KF4OTN
>kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: How to Run ZTerm on Mac OS X?
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:39:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 138
Belkin's site didn't have one for OS X that I saw.. Are you sure that isn't
the 9.22 driver?
If he takes the lid off then odds are it's a KLSI USB105D, which has a OS X
driver afaik.
--Droo, K1XVM
At 08:54 PM 6/9/2004, Brian Riley (maillist) wrote:
><http://downloads.belkin.com/support/downloads/software/F5U103-MAC.sea.hqx>
>
>Allegedly the latest and greatest driver for the Belkin ... Mind you the
>universally shared opinion about the Belkin USB-Serial adapters is they get
>high honors as POS! .. From both Windows users and Mac users, but
>particularly from Mac users.
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Subject: Belkin - OSX --- OOOPPSSSS!
From: "Brian Riley (maillist)" <n1bq_list@wulfden.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:43:21 -0400
X-Message-Number: 139
This is an old driver for Mac Classic OS .... Definitely not OSX ... So
solly!
On 6/9/04 8:54 PM, "Brian Riley (maillist)" <n1bq_list@wulfden.org> wrote:
>On 6/9/04 8:03 PM, "Matthew Stennett" <wa4tkg@iwon.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Not familiar with what Panther will do, so don't know how to run simple
>>terminal program to MFJ-1270C on OS X?
>>Ihave a serial ><USB adaptor but don't know how to configure it.
>>Serial adaptor is a Belkin F5U103-MAC.
>>No OS X driver on DISC from when I bought it.
>>Don't know if it will even run.
>
><http://downloads.belkin.com/support/downloads/software/F5U103-MAC.sea.hqx>
>
>Allegedly the latest and greatest driver for the Belkin ... Mind you the
>universally shared opinion about the Belkin USB-Serial adapters is they get
>high honors as POS! .. From both Windows users and Mac users, but
>particularly from Mac users.
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Subject: Re: two questions
From: Dale Blanchard <wa7ixk@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:51:40 -0700
X-Message-Number: 140
My d-700 does not come on with power , but my D-7AG does. The D-700 came on
a few times at on time then quit. If it would come on it would save me a
lot of problems also my GPS.
Wes Johnston wrote:
>1) when you unplug the kenwood d700 from power, will it auto restart
>when you plug it back in? I have mine in my wife's car and powered
>off the cig lighter for the time being. It is not coming on when
>power is applied... is this normal? In the past, I've always hooked
>directly to the battery so this was never of any concern to me.
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Subject: Re: APRS TT
From: N5TIM <n5tim@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:53:49 -0500
X-Message-Number: 141
Thanks to all that had some information regarding APRStt. What I have
learned so far it that since I do not have a Kenwood I'm up the
creek. Secondly the only software that enables it is APRSdos and I do not
use that either. Well maybe someday...
73, John - N5TIM
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Subject: Re: Belkin - OSX --- OOOPPSSSS!
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:57:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 142
No problem.. Hopefully he can crack it open.. That's the easiest way to go
about it.
--Droo, K1XVM
At 09:43 PM 6/9/2004, Brian Riley (maillist) wrote:
>This is an old driver for Mac Classic OS .... Definitely not OSX ... So
>solly!
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Subject: Re: Tetroon collateral damage report, revision1
From: Danny <danny@messano.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:03:11 -0400
X-Message-Number: 143
Well, I still see you don't get it, but I am tired of arguing. This
wasn't about Opentrack, this was about APRS, CHANGE, and the current APRS
beuracracy. There are real issues here, and they will continue to come up
until they are addressed.
Until we have a real APRS-WG and not just one or two people deciding
changes based on personal bias, what side of the bed they got out on, or
what radio they own, and some farsical personal addendum website, there
will still be "attacks" on the system.
I hope one day the APRS spec will be trusted to a democratic process, with
members in a working group comprised of users, those dreaded programmers,
and the fathers of the current APRS system, including Steve and yourself.
Danny
KE4RAP
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Subject: Echolink
From: "deni" <deni@dwatt.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:07:50 -0500
X-Message-Number: 144
Does anyone support the aprs conference on echolink??
Thanks
Deni
wb0tax
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: "Eric H. Christensen" <kf4otn@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:49:26 -0400
X-Message-Number: 145
Nope... Right there on the bottom of page 62 in APRS Spec Version 1.0.1...
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Baxter [mailto:droobie@maine.rr.com]
Peet Brothers didn't make an update to make APRS compatible weather reports?
Doesn't the WXTrak support Peet Brothers? Supposedly there's only one
weather format actually in the APRS SPEC... That'd mean the other hacks
for other weather stations are just that.. hacks.
--Droo, K1XVM
At 08:46 PM 6/9/2004, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>The Kenwood can't decode the Peet Brothers packets, either... But my
>software does...
>
>73s,
>Eric KF4OTN
>kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: two questions
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:10:11 -0400
X-Message-Number: 146
It's not supposed to be attached to a 'switched' power source because most
places you'd attach to are not of proper gauge wire to do so. In the
diagrams in the manual it's specific to attach it to the battery for this
reason.
Mine has never turned on when I've plugged it back in after yanking it
apart for taking photos of the guts. .:)
--Droo, K1XVM
At 09:51 PM 6/9/2004, Dale Blanchard wrote:
>My d-700 does not come on with power , but my D-7AG does.
>The D-700 came on a few times at on time then quit.
>If it would come on it would save me a lot of problems also my GPS.
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:14:56 -0400
X-Message-Number: 147
Bob's going to have to explain that one. In a post earlier in the week he
said that the Kenwoods support the 'one APRS Weather format' if memory
serves. This lead me to believe there is a defined weather format and the
other things are just hacks.
--Droo, K1XVM
At 09:49 PM 6/9/2004, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>Nope... Right there on the bottom of page 62 in APRS Spec Version 1.0.1...
>
>73s,
>Eric KF4OTN
>kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: DTMF Decoding for my talking weather station
From: Ron Perry <ronk@sunlinux.com.au>
Date: 10 Jun 2004 12:21:04 +1000
X-Message-Number: 148
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 09:24, Andrew Rich wrote:
>Does anyone know of a DTMF decoding routine for LINUX or VB that can decode
>DTMF.
>
>Before I start doing up a board with a chip and use the parrallel port.
The IRLP board does exactly this.
Regards,
Ron
vk3ecv
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: "Eric H. Christensen" <kf4otn@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:18:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 149
Sorry... It is in the spec... RAW WEATHER FORMAT... Knew I read that
somewhere...
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: APRS TT
From: "Eric H. Christensen" <kf4otn@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:19:30 -0400
X-Message-Number: 150
APRStt will work with ANY radio capable of sending DTMF... And there is a
lot of software out there... Don't worry...
73s,
Eric KF4OTN
kf4otn@amsat.org
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Subject: Re: Tetroon collateral damage report, revision1
From: "Mark A. Lewis" <mark@siliconjunkie.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:47:00 -0500
X-Message-Number: 151
No, sorry you are flat wrong. 30someodd% of the people out there not
being able to use it as well as Opentrack willfully interfering with the
established APRS network is democracy. Opentrack either doesn't want to
or can't establish it's own network and would prefer to force itself on
a well functioning network.
Your attitude personifies the stereotypical "old crotchety ham" who is
too full of himself and his "accomplishments" to care that they are
trampling on other band users.
Look at it this way, if I wanted to start operating PSK on the APRS
frequency and came here bitching that it wasn't working right because of
all those damn APRS packets. The nerve of these APRS guys using that
frequency they have for years for this!
If Opentrack is soooooo b***** wonderful, it can find it's own spot on
the band and thrive there. If it succeeds then great, people who want to
can move to it, and the ones who want to use APRS can keep using it.
I fail to see why Opentrack insists on willfully interfering with APRS.
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Subject: ZTerm on Mac OS X?
From: "Matthew Stennett" <wa4tkg@iwon.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:52:07 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 152
I have Panther installed.
Tried to take apart the F5UU103-MAC.
If I keep it up, I'll crack/break the case trying to do it.
I'll leave well enough alone until they manage to get something written for
it. Not worth smashing it all up.
I still have OS 9 in this thing, for the time being, I can always switch
OSes if necessary.
Tx anyway.
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Subject: Re: ZTerm on Mac OS X?
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:01:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 153
http://ubsa-osx.sourceforge.net/
Should help you out.. They made a driver for OS X for it..
If you need help installing KEXT files, then let me know off-sig, I can
probably point you somewhere.
--Droo, K1XVM
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Subject: Re[2]: Re: Tetroon collateral damage report, revision1
From: Danny <danny@messano.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:04:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 154
MAL> Well, I still see you don't get it, but I am tired of arguing. This
MAL> wasn't about Opentrack, this was about APRS, CHANGE, and the current
MAL> APRS beuracracy. There are real issues here, and they will continue to
MAL> come up until they are addressed.
Someone else that can't read.. It it THAT impossible to even FATHOM that
someone may want to IMPROVE APRS and NOT necessarily give a FLIP about
OPENTRACK????????
Improving APRS does NOT mean "Lets turn it into Opentrack"
NEVER have I said in ONE discussion that Opentrack needs to be on 144.39,
nor have I said anything to defend or promote Opentrack.
I am arguing for a democratic system to encourage and apply changes to the
APRS specification as needed. A system that can help APRS evolve and
survive. A system where APRS doesn't get REPLACED, but GROWS with time. A
system where APRS is governed by more than 2 people with commercial
emotional interest. Where do I mention Opentrack in that???
Please.. If you must comment to one of my posts, read it first.
Danny
KE4RAP
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on a proposed replacement for D700
From: "DG2JW" <dg2jw@privateasylum.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:22:12 +0300
X-Message-Number: 155
Hi Guys.
Not quite what you were talking about but just for your information, during
club night last Tuesday, our club opened a discussion on how to get 2Mb
data connection consistently over 100-125Km distances. These 2Mb backbone
would include local APRS feeds, access to textual databases, command and
control of volunteer emergency assets on the ground and supplying a useful
interface for local government to use manage those assets in a crisis
situation. The future tests will be carried out on 23cm band.
Julian
OH8GEJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "sv1uy" <sv1uy@ham.depa.gr>
>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:27:25 -0400, Drew Baxter wrote
>
>>>I wonder why don't you try OPENtrack on 2.4GHZ using the 802.II protocol
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Subject: Re: APRS TT
From: Danny <danny@messano.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:23:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 156
That's the whole premise of it.. To allow anyone with a DTMF pad to be able
to play APRS.
I think it's a great idea..
Danny
KE4RAP
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: "DG2JW" <dg2jw@privateasylum.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:26:05 +0300
X-Message-Number: 157
thanks Bob.
That was nice. Point taken.
best regards
Julian
OH8GEJ
>>Surely the facts can be laid out on the table in a clear
>>easy gentlemanly manner.
>
>Seems pretty obvious to me...
>
>Bob
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Subject: Re: Tetroon collateral damage report, revision1
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:35:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 158
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:30:09 -0400, Robert Bruninga wrote:
>>>>"DG2JW" <dg2jw@privateasylum.com> 6/9/04 5:08:30 PM >>>
>>Scott just don't bother anymore. "They" are never going to
>>understand that evolution is a natural part of everything.
>
>We WELCOME evolution, but on a differeent frequency
Didn't they try that in the southern part of the U.S. at one time? Yeah,
here is a picture of it:
http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/polisci/americangov/photo/pat0309.jpg
As I understand, it didn't work out too well.
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Subject: Re: Kenwood APRS radio...
From: Jeff King <jeff@aerodata.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:40:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 159
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:20:02 -0700, Mark Fellhauer wrote:
>At 04:30 PM 6/9/2004, Danny wrote:
>
>>Because if a *KENWOOD* can't decode it, it's non-aprs-channel-
>>interference?
>No because over 1/3 of the existing user base can not decode it.
>Brand names have nothing to do with it.
I used to collect old magazines at one time. One phrase that stands out in
my mind is "The sweet tone of spark" to all those old timers resisting
going to CW.
History is a great teacher. The human experience repeats itself over and
over.
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